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This may be the dumbest question ever asked but i was just wondering...when taking a blood pressure would you be able to ascultate the radial artery?

And sorry if that made me sound like the dumbest person ever...but it was on my mind so i was just wondering...thanks all!:unsure:
 
At about the same time you'd hear the brachial; maybe a little lower in mmHg.
 
This may be the dumbest question ever asked but i was just wondering...when taking a blood pressure would you be able to ascultate the radial artery?

Do you mean taking a BP over the radial artery (wrist)?
 
Taking a blood pressure over the wrist or forearm has the same effect as the brachial artery.

R/r 911
 
Not a dumb question

I had a few patients I had to use their wrist (they insisted); used a child's sized cuff.

They insisted because of Hx of double mastectomy and cannot have their BPs taken on their arm. Could someone explain why, doesn't it have to do with the the lymph nodes?
 
Blood pressures and veinapuntures should be avoided in those arms. There are different type of surgical procedures used for women who have had breast cancer surgery with a mastectomy, partial mastectomy, or lumpectomy. Along with the actual breast surgery for cancer is the removal of regional lymph nodes and axillary(under the arm) lymph nodes to be tested for cancer cells. These nodes are examined by a pathologist to see if the cancer has invaded the lymph nodes. It is the way to see if the cancer has spread to other parts of the body.

Remember the normal function of lymph nodes. Normally, lymphatic fluid circulates through the lymph vessels, passes through the lymph nodes and enters the bloodstream near the heart. Lymph nodes filter or catch foreign matter and bacteria. If the nodes are removed as in breast cancer surgery, the normal drainage is impaired or causes a reduced capacity to carry the lymph fluid. If there is pressure on the affected arm with taking a blood pressure, the fluid backs up and can cause swelling in the arm called lymphedema.

Lymphedema is an accumulation of lymphatic fluid that causes swelling in the arm of the surgical side. This can be painful and is a causes a risk for the of infections. Lymphedema can be normal or can be a side effect of having the lymph node removed. Therefore; anyone who has had either a mastectomy, lumpectomy, partial mastectomy, or modified radical mastectomy in combination with axillary node dissection should avoid any risks of having lymphedema.

One way to avoid lymphedema is to have blood pressure checked only in the unaffected arm. Injections, blood pressure checks, IV`s, or blood drawing should never be done in the affected arm. Even strenuous movements with the affected arm such as pulling, pushing or scrubbing, heavy lifting or carrying heavy objects such as suitcases, grocery bags and even heavy purses can cause such.

Hopes this answers your question,

R/r 911
 
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Ok, thanks.
The reason that i ask is i have the hardeset time hearing the brachial pulse and it gets me frustrated. And i was just wondering if anyone has any tips that would help me.

If so thanks if not...oh well.....
 
Ok, thanks.
The reason that i ask is i have the hardeset time hearing the brachial pulse and it gets me frustrated. And i was just wondering if anyone has any tips that would help me.

If so thanks if not...oh well.....

Where are you placing the 'head' of the stethoscope? Over the artery?
 
Ok, thanks.
The reason that i ask is i have the hardeset time hearing the brachial pulse and it gets me frustrated. And i was just wondering if anyone has any tips that would help me.

If so thanks if not...oh well.....

I'm also having a hard time hearing it too.
 
Never thought about it before but I guess if you can palpate it, it would make sense you can hear it.

For those in the know can you place the BP cuff on the forearm then and listen to the radial or does the structure of the lower arm prevent the cuff from occluding the artery? Never really had a problem with brachial's once I got my style down but seems like an interesting piece of information for the old memory bank.
 
For those in the know can you place the BP cuff on the forearm then and listen to the radial or does the structure of the lower arm prevent the cuff from occluding the artery? Never really had a problem with brachial's once I got my style down but seems like an interesting piece of information for the old memory bank.

YES, you can place the BP cuff on the forearm and listen radially. I've used it a number of times. Some people will not be able to tolerate the cuff on their upper arm due to surgery or peripherally-inserted vascular access devices. We also sometimes use it on very obese people when the large adult cuff won't fit over their upper arm.
 
I'm on a palpating roll lately. Can't hear crap.

I fail

Are you putting your steth on properly? When I first started no one showed me the proper way to "put on" the stethescope, as lame as that sounds, and I couldn't hear a thing! Also you could have an obstruction in your scope. Have you cleaned it recently, especially the tips?

Here's a helpful site.
http://www.steeles.com/Littmann/stethoscope.html
 
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When i did my first ride along, the medic told me that i should but it on the bend of the arm? Is that right...? If it is maybe my ears are no good.
 
When i did my first ride along, the medic told me that i should but it on the bend of the arm? Is that right...? If it is maybe my ears are no good.
A good way to think is how does the brachial artery come down the upper arm and cross the antecubital region? when you are looking at the arm the artery crosses the antecubital region on the left side and comes across and down the middle of the forearm. So try placing the head of the stethoscope more to the left of the AC then dead center. With particularly obese pts the pressure will be harder to auscultate regardless of what you do, so sometimes all you can get is a palpated pulse. Just a little something i have learned over the years.
 
A good way to think is how does the brachial artery come down the upper arm and cross the antecubital region? when you are looking at the arm the artery crosses the antecubital region on the left side and comes across and down the middle of the forearm. So try placing the head of the stethoscope more to the left of the AC then dead center. With particularly obese pts the pressure will be harder to auscultate regardless of what you do, so sometimes all you can get is a palpated pulse. Just a little something i have learned over the years.
So what I mean is if you are looking at the pts LEFT ARM then all of the above is true. I can't use my words very good. put the stethoscope more medial to the body than in the dead center of the AC. now why didn't I say that to start with.
 
When i did my first ride along, the medic told me that i should but it on the bend of the arm? Is that right...? If it is maybe my ears are no good.

You find the brachial artery via palpation and place the head of the scope over where you feel it.

And to the OP, not a dumb question at all. Turns out there are more ways to take a BP than most ever thought possible lol
 
We also sometimes use it on very obese people when the large adult cuff won't fit over their upper arm.

I come from a state where the large adult cuff won't fit 75% of our patients (god bless the good 'ole dairy state). Do you carry a thigh cuff? We have 4 sizes of cuffs, peds, adult, large adult, and thigh. I'm pretty sure the thigh cuff could fit around the body of an elephant so I haven't had any problems with that yet but I'll keep the radial thing in mind for the day I get that guy.
 
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