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I am a full time student majoring in Pre-Med at Augustana College in Rock Island Il. I was wondering if it is plausible/possible to get into a medic program or school through the local community college, or if most medic school students devote all their time to becoming a medic. It was a piece of cake getting my EMT B while doing other things, but is it for medic, like weekends and nights? I know a lot depends on when the class is offered, but has it been done? I am and EMT B now, and want to jump to P. If anyone knows anything about Blackhawk or Trinity Community college in this area, all help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again.
Clayton
 
Paramedic school is not a walk in the park and is no where near comparable to EMT-Basic programs. Paramedic students devote a lot time to studying and clinicals.

My Paramedic program is two nights a week for 3hrs each night... study time and clinicals which is like a part-time job.
 
First off, if you're a serious premed, drop the premed major and go major in a field you enjoy. If you enjoy biology, then major in it. Poli sci? Major in that. As long as you get your year of biology, year of general chemistry, year of organic chemistry, and year of physics (throw in a year of calculus/statistics, year of psych, and a biochem course will hit up the handful of other schools that require them. Definitely take psych or behavior science courses if your considering osteopathic medical school). The major problem with a "premed" major is that if you don't get into medical school (and something around half the people who apply for US allopathic (MD) schools will not get in), you'll have a fairly useless degree.

Second, if you're going to go for your medic just for your resume, don't waste your time. Most admission committees don't know, nor care, about the difference between an Basic and a Paramedic.

Third, the mandatory 'EMS Helpful?' copy/paste from SDN.

FAQ: Will EMS help my medical school application?

Yes, it will.

But…

It is widely agreed upon by those of us on this board who have gone from EMS to medical school that wanting to be a doctor is not a good reason to become an EMT (any level). There are several reasons for this:

EMS and medicine are not the same thing. Some elements overlap but they are totally separate skill sets and work environments. You could get into EMS and love it and then be bitterly disappointed by medicine. You could be needlessly turned off from a career in medicine because you decide you dislike EMS.

EMS is viewed by most medical school admission committees as some kind of medical related extracurricular activity like research or volunteering. Yes it shows some dedication to the field. Yes they’ll like it. But the real key to getting into medical school is your grades and MCAT scores. People love to hear that there are other ways to get in despite a mediocre GPA and poor test taking skills but that’s the exception to the rule. If you are looking at EMS just because it will look good on your application your time will be better spent studying and prepping for the MCAT.

EMS training without any real EMS experience is not particularly valuable. To really get anything useful out of it you need to become an EMT (usually a ~120 hour course followed by written and practical tests) and then work as an EMT. Work as an EMT is usually pretty mundane. You would be doing lots of interfacility transports which means trucking nursing home patients to doctor’s appointments. To get the experience you really want you would need to become a paramedic. That usually requires you to work as an EMT for a year then go to paramedic school (1000 to 1400 hours followed by clinical rotations, field internship and more testing). By that time you will have spent more time getting into EMS than you would have in undergraduate school. So again, your best bet is to study more bio and Ochem and take an MCAT prep course.

So does this mean people should avoid EMS. No! If you want to get into EMS because you want to work in EMS then by all means go for it. It’s a great field and can be very rewarding. If you are already in EMS and want to change to medicine for some reason then again, go for it and use your experiences to your benefit. Just don’t start down the EMS pathway hoping it will lead to medicine. It might, but it’s not the best way to get where you really want to go.
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This post is directed at the original poster, but applies to traditional undergrads as well. Anyway,
I'm assuming you're an EMT-B already, since that is usually a mandatory pre-requisite to becoming a paramedic (though this might be different in other states). Great, you got a head start on your med school hopeful peers, you don't really know too much as an EMT-B so you still have a healthy appreciation that you don't know very much about medicine. Believe it or not this is a wonderful place to be. I strongly advise you to stop right there (at EMT-B) and devote yourself entirely to becoming a physician.

Here's why:
EMS is a bit of a trap, you can get all caught up in it, because you are enjoying what you are doing, helping others, taking care of emergencies, etc. It's a good high when things go really right. Then you meet a paramedic, and think to yourself: boy can this guy take care of business, I'd really love to be able to do all that great stuff too! But there is really not that much to being a paramedic. Unfortunately nobody really tells you this. IN your world, all these new skills are exciting and impressive, So then things start to take a turn in your life. Let me tell you a little about what I mean:

Paramedics are funny people, they are experts in a very, very, narrow slice of medicine. In fact, when it comes down to the business of prehospital emergency care, nobody does it like a medic. WOW, I think I want to do this medic thing, I'm going to go for it, atleast for now, until I go to med school next year. BUT, you can easily get all caught up in the ALS pre-hospital care scene. Because you are doing life saving interventions you may feel like you fast forwarded yourself to "doctor" or at least the preconceived notion you had of doctors before you ever got involved in medicine. So anyway, there you'll be doing all these great skills, and soon you'll start to think that gee-whiz look at all the great things that I can do as a medic (ha! nurses my ***, they can't do this stuff!). Heck, all that other stuff in medicine really is not as important as this stuff I'm doing right now (IVs, intubation and pacing oh my!), and that's when you start to make a very big mistake. All of a sudden you really stop caring about all the other things that medicine has to offer, so you stop learning about anything that doesn't have anything to do with the "important stuff". Now depending on how long this lasts you can piss away 4,5,6 years doing EMS work and be totally satisfied. But then something happens, it can be some job that went bad on you or you come across something you've never been prepared to deal with, or any other number of things that cause you to become reflective about yourself as a professional. So then you start to read again and you once again rediscover that there is a whole world of medical knowledge out there you weren't aware of as a medic. So now you're studying again and learning about the things you didn't know, but you are never able to do it in any coherent way. The sheer volume of the material is intimidating and you have no real way of knowing if you are making any progress. Plus you are surrounded by your peers, fellow paramedic professionals who tell you things like who the heck cares about temporal arteritis, that's not important and what the heck is so important about this pancreatic psuedocyst you speak of??? So now you start to get frustrated, and you look around at the people around you who are very content with being medics and knowing what medics know, and incorrectly equating their skill proficiency with medical knowledge. But not you. You start to remember that you wanted to be a doctor, and you look back and say, how the **** did I get here, this isn't what I wanted for myself professionally or personally. This whole medic thing was supposed to be a stepping stone to becoming a physician. You become, really frustrated, pissed off, burnt out and then to add insult to injury you start to realize that you are wildly underpaid for the work you are doing. Nurses don't have to put up with 1/2 the crap that I do and they get paid 3 times as much, plus I know a hell of alot more! That's the last straw, F-this you say, I'm going back to school. Only now you are well into your mid- late 20's, (in your case, mid-late 30's) maybe you got a mortgage, a big monthly car payment, who knows maybe a wife and kids in private school, your Golden Opportunity to become a physician is now well past you. You now must suffer in new and interesting ways to get to where you wanted to be in the first place. So sacrifices and painful choices are made and finally 7-8 years later you are back on track for the MD, older, a little more worn out, less enthusiastic, but hopefully a little wiser. Maybe.

So the question is, are you absolutely, positively sure that being a medic is what you want? Think long and hard about this, this is your life afterall. That being said, you gotta do what you gotta do, if you are supporting your whole family or you are on your own out there I can understand. But think about this seriously think about this. This is a long post, but I did not make all of this stuff up, I speak to you from my experience. There are alot of other things I can go into, all sorts of crazy stuff that you'll be banging your head against, but I think I'd be writing for days and days. Anyway best of luck, you can always drop me a PM if you have any specific questions.
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Wow. Great post. Thank you very much. I understand exactly what those posts are saying, and it sounds like it might not be in the best interest to continue, so i should settle down as a B and get a good job as a B and work at getting into med school Thanks again!! Much help indeed.
Clay
 
If medical school is your goal, then yes. Bunker down, hit the books, and do well in school. EMS (as an EMT-B) makes a great side job, but won't make up for a low GPA or low MCAT score. In a similar vein, getting a certification and never using it is definitely worthless.
 
I was told by many pre-med advisers that patient care experience is pretty much a requirement. Med schools want to see that you are serious about your career and care enough to get patient experience. But if you're going to be an EMT any less than five years it wouldn't be worth getting the Medic cert IMO. YOu'd spend over a year to get the cert (full time that is, so you can forget about your university studies) and I hear it's challenging. As a matter of fact, it's probably better to get an ER tech job than an EMT job just because the work environment is more similar to a physician's environment and you'd get more patient experience.

But basically you should do what you feel you want to do. If you want to be a paramedic for a while before moving on to med school then I say go for it. If you love doing it, it's not wasted time or effort.
 
You are at the crossroads and its time to do some thinking. I think each path requires a different route and advice for one might not work well for the other. I can tell you for sure that if you had the chance to get on as a tech you should jump on it. The positions are few and there are almost always many more applicants than jobs,last opening we cut off applications taken for review at 200 and many more still came in and that was for an on call position. Once your in the door as long as you do your job and gain respect and trust of the staff you will have the freedom to pursue your other educational goals with the security of a better than average paying job. Most tech schedules are very student friendly and range from 12 to 36 hours a week. Just the networking possibilities alone are tremendous and will be valuable regardless of which path you choose. You will be assisting on and preforming procedures well above the medic level and will have many more patient contacts than you would even with the busiest system as a field provider. The learning and educational opportunities are endless in the ED and someone is always willing to show you something new if you show initiative. The experience will benefit you no matter which path you decide to follow.

Take the tech job if its available and take a little time to see where you really want to go. Medic school is a big commitment and you want to make sure its where your going to want to be after you finish. I know I started with the intention of working as a tech until I could get my pre reqs done and get into medic school knowing good references from the ED staff combined with my FF/EMT experience would look good on my application. But it did not take long for me to figure out that I might want to be more than a medic. The world needs good medics no doubt but you owe it to yourself to look at all your options and devote your attention to your ultimate goal even if its a few years off.
 
One thing you need to think about if you are looking at putting off applying to medical school is the length of time that medical training takes. If you're looking at emergency medicine, realize that once you enter medical school you're going to be in school or residency training for the next 7-8 years (4 years for medical school, 3-4 years for residency depending on the program). I definately would not delay applying to medical school for EMS.
 
I have a pretty similar question

I initially decided to go the Biology/Pre-Med route, but right now I'm seriously thinking about doing Biology/P.A instead.
I know that there are some Medic schools that offer Paramedic degrees and then there are classes that you can take at community colleges which are the equivalent? of a Medic program. I've read on the board that you have to apply for Medic school? I've looked at the list of EMS courses @ the Richmond and Springfield community college and there doesn't seem to be any application process I have to go through, just have to pass the EMT-B class/NREMT with a C or higher to move on to the more advance courses. Is there any difference?
I know that EMT-I stage seem to get a good deal of flak and are suppose to be nonexistent in a few years, but I would at least like to make it to that level before I go on to P.A. school..would it be plausible for me to take regular courses for my major at a University and then take EMS courses at the community college or if the volunteer rescue squad offers them? (I have about two years left until I graduate)
 
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