Free Community College

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If you have been following the news you may have seen the latest proposal by the white house to make community college FREE. Its hard to say if this will be approved, but here is an article from an EMS and public safety perspective on the proposal from EMS1. Any thoughts? Do you think ems providers (paramedics in particular) will still find an excuse to keep this profession a non degree vocational trade, or could it be the answer to help drive our profession forward and towards mandated associated degrees?

http://www.ems1.com/fire-ems/articl...posal-is-a-huge-opportunity-for-EMS-and-fire/
 
call me skeptical, but I will believe it when I see it. Do we really have 10s of billions of dollars just laying around not being spent to put on this program?

I don't think the cost prevents providers from getting their degree; I think it's lack of desire, lack of time, lack of incentive, and lack of need that does.
 
This probably wouldnt apply to education through health services like a hospital.
 
The spirit of what he said was good. But looking at it from a financial point of view no thanks. The only way to do something like this is raise taxes or remove funding from somewhere else in the government.
 
This probably wouldnt apply to education through health services like a hospital.

My response is somewhat off the cuff, but as a community college adjunct instructor I couldn't be happier about the prospect of offering more help to my students or making their education free -- or close to it. My students at the community college level have been some of the most infuriating and most rewarding I've ever taught. So many of them have come from poor backgrounds, overcome tremendous obstacles (addictions, prison, abuse, etc.) to become academics, and so I feel that anything we can do to afford them a better chance at success is worth exploring.

Now, to their infuriating aspects: they quit; they give up too easily sometimes; they disappear and abuse the system. What we would give them as assistance would necessarily need to come with restrictions, qualifications, and accountability. Some of these students are master manipulators of persons and systems; skills honed in a lifetime of struggle.

I don't mind paying more in taxes or cuts in other less crucial areas to make our schools better. I think our schools (all of them; not just colleges) should be castles of learning and free-thinking. Here's the rub for me: what to do with the other college students, namely those going to state universities. If we make community college more affordable or "free", then we should extend similar help to those students at the 4-year colleges, because I've seen that student body get crushed under the rising costs of college. So, for me I don't object to making community college free (especially since more of them are training future cops, investigators, EMS personnel), but I think the vision is too narrow.

The last piece that is relevant I suppose to EMS is that if we make community college free so that it benefits the budding EMT or paramedic, then we as a profession need to raise the education bar for our profession. Allowing persons to earn an emt certificate for free, for instance, without raising the educational bar for our profession will result in a lot of persons holding a certificate they didn't really earn and would serve only to devalue our profession all the more. One of the biggest reasons we can't demand more money for what we do is because our educational standards are not universal and are set so low that most anyone can earn a certificate -- even if they really can't DO the profession. We operate too much with a McDonald's business model: fill out the application and you've got your job. Know what I mean? If we invest in educating our EMS personnel the way we should we could demand more pay and respect. We might stand a better chance of communities seeing us for what we want to be: well-educated, well-trained, serious professionals doing serious medicine to the best of our abilities.

M.
 
Why not make community college free? For that matter, why not make 4-year universities free?

Just add the massive cost on to our already massive debt.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
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I do not think free community college will pass ... however, free community college sponsored with "efficient" government spending ... mirroring what Remi stated, "what could possibly go wrong?"
 
This probably wouldnt apply to education through health services like a hospital.

That depends. The hospital I work for runs a paramedic program and they have an agreement with a local community college that provides college credit for paramedic school and the opportunity for an associate's degree. You can use student loans or the G.I. Bill for the school as it stands, no reason it couldn't qualify for the proposed program that I can see.
 
I was just curious, that's all. :) I think the idea itself is cool, but the logistics are not.
 
They're already heavily state-subsidized. And I really doubt that the cost of tuition is the deal-breaker for many, since they're only like $100 per credit (in FL, at least). I'd venture to say that the biggest obstacles to education are time commitment and laziness.
And if it were free, (hopefully) those two issues would only become even larger factors.
 
Well my school is out of a hospital, in a hospital that's a non-profit so I doubt it matters anyway. I'll be done with school by the time congress even sees a letter on the proposal.
 
The spirit of what he said was good. But looking at it from a financial point of view no thanks. The only way to do something like this is raise taxes or remove funding from somewhere else in the government.
There is at least 60B in farm/oil/gas subsidies, perhaps they could find it there?
 
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