EtCO2 question
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SandpitMedic
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No.
Go study what EtCO2 and what the numbers mean... not just the range, so you know a little bit about what you're looking at and talking about. Not to be mean... Just want you to learn.
Go study what EtCO2 and what the numbers mean... not just the range, so you know a little bit about what you're looking at and talking about. Not to be mean... Just want you to learn.
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That is the difference between knowing and understanding.
Great question, knowing what you know about physiology, do you think EtCO2 should change with oxygenation?
Great question, knowing what you know about physiology, do you think EtCO2 should change with oxygenation?
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Why do you ask?
The short answer is no. The long answer is yes, maybe, though probably not in a clinically important way.
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I don't understand the question. Would the normal range change? Would the value change ?
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Sorry, but how would the 'normal' range change. It's a normal range for a reason...anything outside the normal range is abnormal.
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This question sounds a lot like the whole hypoxic drive issue/myth/whatever you want to believe or was taught...I understand what you are asking but I think you don't have a clear grasp on why the CO2 may be high or low. The illness you are treating may also require oxygen, however a change in CO2 may or may not be a direct result of that. There are so many variables in the treatment and range of pathologies that the actual question itself may be a moot point.
And to the question of what is "normal", apply that to an acute ketoacidosis case and define "normal". Many healthcare practitioners try to correct the CO2 to a normal range without trying to address why the CO2 is in the basement. Or of a severe V/Q mismatch where the numbers don't reflect what is happening in the arteries. To a healthcare professional being hammered by all kinds of pathologies on an hourly basis, "normal" is a nebulous phrase.
And to the question of what is "normal", apply that to an acute ketoacidosis case and define "normal". Many healthcare practitioners try to correct the CO2 to a normal range without trying to address why the CO2 is in the basement. Or of a severe V/Q mismatch where the numbers don't reflect what is happening in the arteries. To a healthcare professional being hammered by all kinds of pathologies on an hourly basis, "normal" is a nebulous phrase.
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And also cardiac output!
TXmed
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I use ETCO2 on all chest pain, its a far better indication of right sided cardiac output than BP
Yeah good point! I was keeping it there because the question was about giving o2. Thanks!
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Expired C02 is a product of metabolism, cardiac output & pulmonary blood flow (the two are related but not synonymous), and ventilation (shunt physiology). Manipulating any one of those will change Etc02, and each one of these factors can be affected by oxygen administration.
I think the OP's question is whether administering oxygen will cause a noticeable change in Etc02. The answer to that is that it depends on several complicated factors. I don't think I've ever seen a case where giving or withdrawing oxygen changed Etc02 appreciably, and I can't think of a scenario where it would, but I certainly can't say that it would never happen.
Read up on carbon dioxide transport (the Haldane effect, especially) and the A-a gradient.
I think the OP's question is whether administering oxygen will cause a noticeable change in Etc02. The answer to that is that it depends on several complicated factors. I don't think I've ever seen a case where giving or withdrawing oxygen changed Etc02 appreciably, and I can't think of a scenario where it would, but I certainly can't say that it would never happen.
Read up on carbon dioxide transport (the Haldane effect, especially) and the A-a gradient.
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Just had a thought...we've all been thinking about the physiological effects if any. It occurred to me that the question could be geared to placing nasal cannula or a mask on a patient who is also getting their EtCO2 reading through nasal cannula. THAT would change the EtCO2 reading but not the EtCO2 itself.
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Even with oxygen it's not going to effect the reading
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Here's an amazing article on EtCO2. It's by Bob Page, a well renowned Paramedic. He does a good job of explaining not only what EtCO2 is, but also how you can apply it to your day to day runs.
http://www.multileadmedics.com/www....y_files/Slap the Cap handout 2012_revised.pdf
http://www.multileadmedics.com/www....y_files/Slap the Cap handout 2012_revised.pdf