Anti-Immunization & Pro-Natural Child Birth

[thatJeffguy]

Most of our founding fathers were widowers due to complications from childbirth or subsequent breastfeeding and inadequate diet.

I'm interested in seeing a source for what.

The average age of our forebears was low because the high number of perinatal deaths skewed the curve left (folks still frequently lived to their nineties with luck good genes and basic sanitation).

The average age is never "low" or "high", it's average. Compared to other numbers it might be low, or high. I'd like to see a source for this as well, specifically, in agrarian America.

 

[Griff]

Take a look:

http://www.slate.com/id/2232977/

Good read. +1

 

[bunkie]

Take a look:

http://www.slate.com/id/2232977/

That isn't the case everywhere. My kids had to be fully vaccinated and then some before I could register them for daycare here. That includes the home facilities strictly for military use.

 

[wolfwyndd]

No immunizations? What was required in order to complete 3rd rides and clinicals?

I was actually thinking the same thing. I was required to get all my immunizations updated before I was allowed to do clinicals OR ride alongs.

 

[guardian528]

I was actually thinking the same thing. I was required to get all my immunizations updated before I was allowed to do clinicals OR ride alongs.

in CA, there is always a box you can check that says no, i haven't, because of moral/religious/other beliefs

 

[WTEngel]

These days people who decide to go without immunizations are relatively safe. This is only because they get an "immunization by proxy" due to 99% of the general public choosing to immunize themselves, which results in no cases of the viruses being present to spread to those who have no immunity.

Working in peds I encounter families from time to time who make a big deal about not immunizing, and come into the ER expecting us to roll out the red carpet and find them a room immediately, because they don't want their child exposed due to the lack of immunizations. Our usual protocol is to have them wear a mask... Triage still applies...

Anyway, like I said, even though I would never choose to do so, those who do decide to forego immunizations are only safe due to the high percentage of people who DO choose to immunize.

 

[thatJeffguy]

These days people who decide to go without immunizations are relatively safe. This is only because they get an "immunization by proxy" due to 99% of the general public choosing to immunize themselves, which results in no cases of the viruses being present to spread to those who have no immunity.

That is very interesting. I've never thought of that.

Working in peds I encounter families from time to time who make a big deal about not immunizing, and come into the ER expecting us to roll out the red carpet and find them a room immediately, because they don't want their child exposed due to the lack of immunizations. Our usual protocol is to have them wear a mask... Triage still applies...

Does the mask say "DUNCE" on it? Or "MY PARENTS ARE DUNCES"

 

[Sasha]

I will never understand people refusing immunizations. Even if they really did cause autism (yes, yes, I know it's completely BS) and autistic child is better than a dead child, is it not?

 

[Medic744]

There are plenty of hospitals willing to give a mother an experience as close to home birth as possible. There is a women's hospital in our med center that the birthing suite is very much like a 5 star hotel suite and they allow you to do things your way as the mother, but they are there for the "just in case" moment.

As for immunizations it is a personal choice for each parent. I choose to make sure my son is up to date on all his, but I do know parents that feel that this is not the right decision for them. I refuse to see my son get sick or disabled from a disease that can be prevented. My kid wont be hanging out with the one who didnt get the immunizations and be exposed to illness. Most of these parents have weighed the risks and benefits and this is the right fit for them.

They do not have the right to ask for special treatment in an ER or anywhere else. If anything they should be more vigilant about protecting their child from infection because other than their natural immunity they have no defenses. Im also not sure about everywhere but here they can not attend public school because an up to date immunization record is required to enter school. I know because in high school I get sent home until I got up to date on one of my shots.

 

[wolfwyndd]

in CA, there is always a box you can check that says no, i haven't, because of moral/religious/other beliefs

Cool! Thanks for clarifying. I just assumed that it would be the same way all over the US.

There are plenty of hospitals willing to give a mother an experience as close to home birth as possible. There is a women's hospital in our med center that the birthing suite is very much like a 5 star hotel suite and they allow you to do things your way as the mother, but they are there for the "just in case" moment.

One of our local HOSPITALS has a Women's CENTER that has a 'birthing center' that's set up about the same way. My 2nd child and my 3rd child were born there.

Im also not sure about everywhere but here they can not attend public school because an up to date immunization record is required to enter school. I know because in high school I get sent home until I got up to date on one of my shots.

MD and Ohio are the same way. I went to public school in MD and I was required to have all my immunizations up to date and the local High School here in Ohio also require all immunizations to be up to date.

 

[Seaglass]

There are plenty of hospitals willing to give a mother an experience as close to home birth as possible. There is a women's hospital in our med center that the birthing suite is very much like a 5 star hotel suite and they allow you to do things your way as the mother, but they are there for the "just in case" moment.

I wish local hospitals would pick up on this. To be honest, if I were pregnant, the closest hospital I'd want to handle it is quite a drive away. With the nearby ones, I've had friends and relatives tell me horror stories about not being allowed to refuse care, being administered drugs they were allergic to despite wearing a wristband, not having people they wanted allowed in the room, having people they didn't want allowed in, bad attitudes from the staff, and all sorts of other crazy stuff.

 

[imhumanoid]

nvm