American Healthcare, the next house of cards

[Veneficus]

Thats it Oz the gig is up, time to go hang our orange jumpsuits out to dry.

American healthcare will always be flawed and broken until you people realise healthcare is a right and not a user-pays privilege

I wish.

What we have is some half measure of both in the form of unfunded mandates.

Lately all the poor people in the US are engaged in the Glen Beck/ Tea party nonsense because they think the government is going to take their nothing away from them.

I am not a fan of socialism myself, but most of these cretins (this is my favorite adjective, from French meaning: too stupid to sin) would actually benefit far more than they would lose.

I also think it is hilarious that voters in a democratic republic think "the government" is somehow against them or going to swindle them. Instead of "government" you could substitute God or Satin, or Aliens.

Most of the people in power are wealthy or get wealthy shortly after being elected. It seems sort of counter productive to grow that wealth or maintain it by taking it away from wealthy people (aka themselves) and giving it to others.

But it seems that both of the major parties are exploiting the fear of the current situation into political action which inturn solidifies their power and position.

With America's grossly undereducated population going on tv and spouting some garbage is just as effective at getting people to believe utter crap in the same way that religion uses end of the week services. None of these peopel have read "their bible" bt it is nicely interpreted for them from a TV personality who earns money by getting people to watch.

I know 300 million people are all going to live secluded in the woods, and in the event of government collapse will have treasury insured bonds to earn money off of.

Yea, that worked out for the confederate states after the civil war.

I also find it funny that people accuse a party strongly supported by labor unions of socialism when it was labor unions that brought down socialism in major eastern block countries.

Sorry to rant, but the stupidity which seems to be contagious is really weighing on my mind.

I think I am going to go make a tinfoil hat now.

 

[46Young]

Vene (or anyone), since we're on the subject of conspiracies, what's your take on the issue of Muslims taking steps to institute sharia law in other countries? Eurabia seems to be a common term I've heard thrown around lately. If there is some truth to this trend, then why aren't any of the Women's groups actively fighting against this?

 

[Veneficus]

Vene (or anyone), since we're on the subject of conspiracies, what's your take on the issue of Muslims taking steps to institute sharia law in other countries? Eurabia seems to be a common term I've heard thrown around lately. If there is some truth to this trend, then why aren't any of the Women's groups actively fighting against this?

There is truth to it, but it is not a simple truth. I think Angela Merkel said it best when she said multiculturism has failed.

In the last century in order to promote tolerance among different groups, somebody didn't understand the difference between multiculture and multiethnic.

All Westerners (and some Easterners in fairness) share the same culture. We have different interpretations and traditions, but the core values are the same. So when we come together in a case such a mass immigration, we still get a long rather smoothly.

When people from truly different cultures try to coexist we see things like what you described.

But that facet is only a small part of a larger issue.

Because in Western values we tried to get away from forced assimilation, I could argue an overly extreme reaction and there is some merit to the idea of indoctrinating people to the culture they move into, nations did not see the perils of turning a blind eye to the issues. They especially didn't want to spend the money on them or appear politically incorrect.

So when people from a different culture moved in, not knowing or understanding what they were getting into, in a classic immigration pattern huddled together for safety. Which of course impedes assimilation instead of helping it.

The group then reinforces its culture and tradition by virtue of number and then often adopts an extreme interpretation of it because they feel threatend by the values of the native populace. (like interacial marriage, or girls being permitted to go out without a man or even educating females )

Obviously you cannot have two entirely seperate legal or government systems operating within the same border. So in an effort to legitimize thier cultural governance within their adopted country, they seek out legal ways to be able to "handle things within the community." (sort of like emergency service workers)

In some European nations, if both parties agree to have the dispute settled within the confines of cultural norms, they are permitted to. If one party disagrees it goes to the country's normal legal channels.

Of course there is the issue that people within the subgroup are totally isolated from using the adopted country's system because of a real theat of banishment from the group or outright violence against them. (Such as in the case of "honor" killings, from within the immigrant groups newly legitimized governance.)

Often individuals have not assimilated the language or have any idea even where to look for support outside the group.
(If you want to see it in action, you can find it in the US in many communities, particlarly apparent in those from South Central Asia)

Events such as these are when the problem of true multiculturalism comes to light.

In multiethnicism, which is what I think the goal really was, we all shared the same culture (aka basis in law and social contract) and we all had our own idiosynchrocies like diet, costume, celebrations, etc.

I think from the issues raised of true multiculturism, it is going to have to be abandoned in favor of multiethnicism, and while not politically correct, it will solve issues such as the one you raised.

I think if you look at more moderate sources of news, while there are problems, the issue is being taken care of in an equitable way.

 

[Veneficus]

Please put the post abot building a tinfoil hat back in, I found the timing excellent and extremely entertaining.

 

[Chimpie]

Please put the post abot building a tinfoil hat back in, I found the timing excellent and extremely entertaining.

Not going to happen, sorry.

 

[djones44]

I agree that the market is quite saturated now, but I think that will start to change in the next couple of years.

Medical emergencies and EMS can't be outsourced, so there's some safety there. But routine and elective procedures can be, so I agree that overall the system may contract. That could leave lots of medically trained people with fewer career options.

As markets start to increase and industries start to return to pre-2007 levels, those who don't have jobs in EMS will find work elsewhere.

WADR, now you're in my wheelhouse, and I worry that your assumption may be wishful thinking. In the Depression the people held such a hope, that the factories would re-open, but it took a decade and a heavy duty war before it happened.

In today's Recession the factories cannot re-open, because they never really closed - just moved to Asia. Our population has doubled, we don't feel the wealth of the land anymore, the oil is gone, etc. the level of technical education has plummeted compared to competing societies. And pre-2007 we had an orgy of unearned property "wealth" that proved chimerical, was being thrown around shamelessly, while the govt ran up huge debt despite boom times. Now the piper has stopped playing is asking to be paid.

I suppose there is some comfort in the EMS profession, that its existing membership is more secure than most. But the temptation to privatize it and see everyone's wages slashed will remain as a danger. Time for American ingenuity to step up, and soon.

 

[46Young]

Here's some more proof that the gov't is trying to control every aspect of our lives, Senate Bill 510:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/11/first_healthcare_next_the_food.html

Apparently, it passed the Senate.:angry:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/11/s_510_breezes_to_passage_in_th.html

I know this is a decidely right-wing site, but I use it to find out some interesting topics, and then verify the info elsewhere, since it's at high risk of being biased.

I have to wonder if BigPharma has a part in this. I've said before that it's in the pharmaceutical industry's best interest to control our food supply, to restrict our access to nutritious foods, so that we'll be dependent on their meds when our health inevitably deteriorates due to malnutrition. Worst case scenario, the organic food industry will be regulated out of business, we'll be prohibited from growing and consuming our own crops (goodbye farmar's markets as well), and the price for F&V, meats, eggs, vitamins, and such will rise dramatically. Vitamins would be classified as drugs, and made prohibitively espensive. We'll be reduced to mainly corn, wheat, and soybeans as our main sources of nutrition. I wish I was wrong, but this bill suggests otherwise.

At least we'll see a higher call volume for EMS, w/ reimbursement courtesy of Obamacare. Job security.

 

[Veneficus]

Here's some more proof that the gov't is trying to control every aspect of our lives, Senate Bill 510:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/11/first_healthcare_next_the_food.html

Apparently, it passed the Senate.:angry:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/11/s_510_breezes_to_passage_in_th.html

I know this is a decidely right-wing site, but I use it to find out some interesting topics, and then verify the info elsewhere, since it's at high risk of being biased.

I have to wonder if BigPharma has a part in this. I've said before that it's in the pharmaceutical industry's best interest to control our food supply, to restrict our access to nutritious foods, so that we'll be dependent on their meds when our health inevitably deteriorates due to malnutrition. Worst case scenario, the organic food industry will be regulated out of business, we'll be prohibited from growing and consuming our own crops (goodbye farmar's markets as well), and the price for F&V, meats, eggs, vitamins, and such will rise dramatically. Vitamins would be classified as drugs, and made prohibitively espensive. We'll be reduced to mainly corn, wheat, and soybeans as our main sources of nutrition. I wish I was wrong, but this bill suggests otherwise.

At least we'll see a higher call volume for EMS, w/ reimbursement courtesy of Obamacare. Job security.

If Americans put more vale and emphasis on education,independant thought, and accepting personal responsibility, perhaps there wouldn't have to be so much sheparding for the sheep.

 

[46Young]

If Americans put more vale and emphasis on education,independant thought, and accepting personal responsibility, perhaps there wouldn't have to be so much sheparding for the sheep.

But everyone today thinks that the world owes them a living. 22 year olds think that they should be making 70k right out of college.

Anyway, in regards to my last post, look what Monsanto did to Iraq and India:

http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_7152.cfm

 

[Melclin]

If I were in charge...

I would live in a palace surrounded by replays of famous cricketing moments from the '90s. But while I'm still working my way up...


I'm not going to bother with the Imma-shoot-my-food-and-anyone-who-comes-near-it brigade. You're all welcome to live in a world where you have to stock tinned food and whittle whats you sees, but I'll much rather live in balanced social democracy that values education, hard work and personal achievement while also mandating for the protection of those who can't protect themselves. I'd rather pay some extra tax than shoot my neighbour because he tried to steel my diggin' stick, but I'm weird like that.

I think America has to decide whether or not it wants to join the rest of the developed world or just become a true laissez faire society and see what happens, either way would be interesting. Seems to me like yall are caught in no-mans land and are paying considerably for the privilege.


Now if I were tasked with a 20% reduction...
-I'd get rid of 2-3 of the 5 choppers.
-Privatize the rest of the non-emerg sector.

That'd almost do it.

 

[djones44]

I'll much rather live in balanced social democracy that values education, hard work and personal achievement while also mandating for the protection of those who can't protect themselves.

Socialism is new and fragile in the US, where the word lobbyist is hard to find in the Constitution, but everywhere in Washington. It's a lame duck, all agree, and the real danger is that the duck has cancer.

 

[Chimpie]

Socialism is new and fragile in the US, where the word lobbyist is hard to find in the Constitution, but everywhere in Washington. It's a lame duck, all agree, and the real danger is that the duck has cancer.

Let's keep posts about EMS and Healthcare.