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Melclin

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Courts have often ruled on human physiology
You can hardly stop people from having sex. Or not allow them to get pregnant. Its not going to work, people will have sex and have kids whether they're allowed too or not (not withstanding some sort of population wide birth control or other such nasty 1984 type things). And a government who did that would get voted out quick smart. And what would you do if someone did get preges without a liscence? Force and abortion? Its really not practical.

That being said. I agree with the idea that we have licenses for other things that require responsible operation (cars and so on), but people can, and do, have kids willy nilly. I'd put my money on some sort of mandatory "So you're going to be a parent" class.

Aside from that, I've always liked the idea that citezenship might be urn't, rather than assumed. That involves a whole pile of ethical problems and different issues, but aside from the bigger picture, having a "how not to be a complete idiot" class and regular tests to maintain your "not an idiot" qualification (which would allow you to get a drivers licesnces, start a family, enjoy other benefits of citezenship) seems like a good idea. There are alot of things in life, that you just have to pick up, and aren't necessarily taught anywhere. Appropriate reasons to call an ambulance would be at the top of the curriculum if I ran the class. In practice it probably wouldn't work for any number of reasons, and it would be a pain in the arse and a waste of money, but I kind of like the idea of some sort of compulsory common sense class.
 

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"And Lastly, copulation for any reason (for pleasure or procreation) cannot be restricted between two consulting adults by any law (at least in this country). To do so would be an infringement of Constitutional law. Which is why you will never see any "pre-screening for parents" ever. "

Can you show me in the Constitution where it gives you the right to procreate? I must have missed that one. We used to do prescreening for parents. Ask your parents about having to get Rh-factor blood tests, before being able to get a marriage license. The only reason this was stopped, was do to advances in medicine.

I do not think we have the right to stop someone from having a child. I do believe that we can require parenting classes to teach the basics of raising a child. This would go a long way in keeping some parents from freaking out on small things that are normal for a baby.
 

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Melclin

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I do not think we have the right to stop someone from having a child. I do believe that we can require parenting classes to teach the basics of raising a child. This would go a long way in keeping some parents from freaking out on small things that are normal for a baby.
My point exactly and well put. I have to learn to be more succinct :blush:
 

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"And Lastly, copulation for any reason (for pleasure or procreation) cannot be restricted between two consulting adults by any law (at least in this country). To do so would be an infringement of Constitutional law. Which is why you will never see any "pre-screening for parents" ever. "

Can you show me in the Constitution where it gives you the right to procreate? I must have missed that one. We used to do prescreening for parents. Ask your parents about having to get Rh-factor blood tests, before being able to get a marriage license. The only reason this was stopped, was do to advances in medicine.

I do not think we have the right to stop someone from having a child. I do believe that we can require parenting classes to teach the basics of raising a child. This would go a long way in keeping some parents from freaking out on small things that are normal for a baby.

Refer to the Equal Protection clause under the 14th Ammendment:
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It isn't explicitly stated in the Constitution, however the U.S. Supreme Court had ruled numerous times since 1943 that there is a "fundamental right to procreate", which in a notable case was interpreted in a case regarding criminal sterilization of prisoners (see link).

I believe you misinterpreted my claim "pre-screening for parents"...per your response. Allow me to clarify: You won't see any legislation that precludes anyone from having a child in U.S. (again assuming two consentual parties)

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=7530
 
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reaper

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There is no protection under the Amendment for Procreation. The case you stated was only about not taking away the ability permanently. The Equal Protection Amendment is only used as a last resort in most cases, that go before the courts.

We are not talking about not allowing people to procreate. We are talking about required parenting classes. Will people find a way around it? Sure they will. But, the majority will benefit from them.
 

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There is no protection under the Amendment for Procreation. The case you stated was only about not taking away the ability permanently. The Equal Protection Amendment is only used as a last resort in most cases, that go before the courts.

We are not talking about not allowing people to procreate. We are talking about required parenting classes. Will people find a way around it? Sure they will. But, the majority will benefit from them.
Ahh, I misunderstood the scope of your post, as I interpreted it as your lobbying for legally authorized procreation.

As far as mandating parenting classes, that just opens up a schism of arguments. Now, you are talking about a "standardization" of parenting, upbringing, amidst a multi-cultural canvas of pre-existing notions, cultural and/or religious beliefs, which again could be possibly argued against with a extrapolitive interpretation of the First Ammendment.

Should responsible parents take an active role in their self-edification of child care and parenting...definitely...should they have to...absolutely not.

I personally advocate learning as much as you can about the child you are going to bear into this world.
 
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I just recently completed my L&D shift for my paramedic class & one of the ladies on the unit was pregnant with her 9th child. She also told me that she lives in a homeless shelter with all of her children. When asked if she wanted to have her tubes tied or wanted information about birth control after delivery of her 9th child, she looked at the nurse with wide eyes & said "No. I want to have more children..."

This I don't understand!
 

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I just recently completed my L&D shift for my paramedic class & one of the ladies on the unit was pregnant with her 9th child. She also told me that she lives in a homeless shelter with all of her children. When asked if she wanted to have her tubes tied or wanted information about birth control after delivery of her 9th child, she looked at the nurse with wide eyes & said "No. I want to have more children..."

This I don't understand!
She's insane. Period. Tie her tubes for her.
 

reaper

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Ahh, I misunderstood the scope of your post, as I interpreted it as your lobbying for legally authorized procreation.

As far as mandating parenting classes, that just opens up a schism of arguments. Now, you are talking about a "standardization" of parenting, upbringing, amidst a multi-cultural canvas of pre-existing notions, cultural and/or religious beliefs, which again could be possibly argued against with a extrapolitive interpretation of the First Ammendment.

Should responsible parents take an active role in their self-edification of child care and parenting...definitely...should they have to...absolutely not.

I personally advocate learning as much as you can about the child you are going to bear into this world.

I am not talking about how to raise your child. I am talking about a class on how to take care of a child. Dealing with sickness,preventive care, Nutrition, and the like.

That is something that needs to be taught to new parents who have never dealt with it before.
 

Melclin

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i am not talking about how to raise your child. I am talking about a class on how to take care of a child. Dealing with sickness,preventive care, nutrition, and the like.

That is something that needs to be taught to new parents who have never dealt with it before.
+1 .................
 

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