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Haha fair enough, sadly this was a different post and it was about education standards in NY EMS.

Haha you were right I think I am going to grow to like you...oh look in growing already haha

I actually want to apologize my tone in that post wasn't meant to come across as that. I just didn't know if you had seen my reply to another poster. That being said yeah I understand where you are coming from, and I am all for not transporting dead people. But this situation just set itself up...

That was kind of my point, I guess I should have elaborated that there needs to be extenuating circumstances that make an MD agree with you.

Rob, I just want to say this was settled. It was just a misunderstanding based on the tone Desert wrote in, haha.

First off to triemal, I read your recent reply and considered what you had to say. Here is my reply, I will apologize that I mis-spoke and should have said NYS is no less than any other state who is on board with the National Standards. My course's experience with the hospital time issue was an...

I just saw your reply, and no, harvests are done in the OR at the major medical center.

Until each state elected to follow through with their own protocols it was basically impossible. The downfall Massachusetts is currently facing is that in one county there is an MD who chose that his county will not be using it, keeping at least one region of the state in the past. I...

How about the fact that in Massachusetts they just added selective back boarding? Wouldn't that to you suggest that NY who has had that since 2008, and now has actually basically given back boarding up to the providers discretion be an indication that they at least are above one state? And I'm...

Fair point, you had a valid reason and I give you props for what you did. I understand why you were curious about my call, yet just a piece of advice consider your wording for asking about a different system and questioning why another medic did what they did, without making it sound accusary...

I actually was required to take my paramedic because the company I was working literally made me in order to get online. So yes I WAS REQUIRED. Also I never said that the education in NY is necessarily better, but as I have said NUMEROUS TIMES, Massachusetts where I currently work is...

Actually sadly the reduced clinical was because the hospitals around this area are cutting back on allowing paramedics in. Insurance BS and such. Hell we almost weren't sure if the ER we were contracted with was going to allow us in there. It's pretty upsetting if you ask me, they always...

You're completely right on that, unless you want to go to HVCC, and tell them you're a CC and they allow you to skip a majority of the days (senseless). But the one thing I found, and I said this I believe is it gives a good base to build on in medic school.

I stated that while it is not perfect, it is better than a few. I know this because I currently work in one of those states. And I actually was talking about the standards of care, not so much the education. While the clinical standards were lacking, and by the way I should have explained the...

Are you implying something about me? Because if so ask what it is you appear to be implying. If you want to know I took two courses because I took the CC when I was living in one area, and when I moved to another, the areas services didn't honor it. So I made a deal with those areas to upgrade...

Also the volunteers are the reason the CCT program in NY still exists, because they can't afford paramedics, whether it be to put them through 8 grand of education or that paramedics feel that their education is more valuable at a paid job. So yes they do have a DIRECT effect on the education...

So you're saying that the education standards won't increase if they are needed to through the increase of the level of care? Because I believe that with new research comes new education...huh guess all those years in science class were wrong...dang maybe we should tell the entire science...

Did you read my entire reply? I said the educational standards would follow the level of care provided. The education standards you are referring to are as high as they because they do a million more things than we do, including but not limited to blood transfusions. The changes you are looking...

He means a medic who chose to drop out of HS and only accomplish an equivalency diploma.

While I appreciate the defense and comradery, I have a thick enough skin. Got my start in an old timers FD/EMS squad. That being said to DesertEMT, your reply in questioning how I provided the care I did, tended to lean towards the attack-like side, questioning why I worked an obviously dead...