Why is mordern medicine stunted?

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Veneficus and Brown, brought up a very valid point. In Western medicine, we haven't really done much for Chronic Disease sufferers other than make them comfortable or do something to take care of the symptoms, but not the underlying condition. Medicine is almost, dare I say... stunted in this area.

This was said in another thread, and I didn't want to hijack that one.

This is a topic my partner and I have discussed multiple times, and I'm about to put an embargo on further discussion because I'm going to end up saying something I shouldn't.

Anyway, I think that we can't just blame Medicine for the state of Chronic Disease suffers. I've worked in primary care, in dialysis and in the 911 system. I've seen patients that can list off their meds, doses, prescribing MD, medical/surgical history etc. I've also seen patients that can't even tell me what their medications are for, or who their doctors are.

For patients who have conditions caused by known external factors (smoking, obestiy, etc) Medicine can not make them stop those behaviors, and since it isn't ethical to withhold care from them, all we can do is treat the symptoms.

So how much of the blame for these situations should be put on Medicine, and how much on the patients? What about cases for which there is no cure or prevention, but adherence to the care regimen greatly improves symptoms?
 
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An impression that keeps growing stronger with me is that it is all about a dysfunctional vicious circle of the needs of the people for guidance and reassurance, direction and cure of what ails them fanned by the pharmaceutical companies being more than willing to provide the stuff to feed that desire (in no small part because there are HUGE profits in doing so) compounded by the fact that the Pharm Co.s underwrite a huge chunk of Medical School funding which indirectly puts MDs in debt to them which essentially gets paid off by MDs prescribing the pharmaceuticals invented by the companies.

In short, I'm saying this:

Follow the money and you'll find preventative care and treating the underlying conditions doesn't pay, but attacking symptoms pays very well and keeps a lot of people working thank you very much!
 
Follow the money and you'll find preventative care and treating the underlying conditions doesn't pay, but attacking symptoms pays very well and keeps a lot of people working thank you very much!

I have a friend in Pharmaceuticals. His favorite saying is "There's no money in a cure".
 
Western medicine has been corrupted by the pharmaceutical complex, medicine is now simply "symptom maintenance" because sick people do not make profit.

Drug companies made, last year, more money than like the other 400 fortune 500 companies combined. Everything is now a disease or a sickness and needs a medication - afraid of public speaking? That's a sickness, feeling tired and can't concentrate? It's adult ADD, feeling a bit sad, here's some pills to make you feel better but which have been linked to suicide and school shootings, and it goes on and on now you can call 1-800-PETMEDS and get your cat some antidepressants or your dog needs whatever you are stupid enough to be sucked into the idea of buying, same thing.

My nana is on a bunch of medications; OK she needs the GTN for her angina but the fifteen other pills the doctor has her on sheesh, 14 are for side effects of the other one!

Articles published in NEJM et al show stents and angioplasty do not work long term, chemo might kill you but not the cancer, insulin doesn't control diabetes long term ....

Acute and critical care medicine save lives, there is no doubt about it but Western medicine seems to largely ignore (thanks to various controlling influences) that there is also a non pathologic basis for disease and Louis Pasteur said near the end of his life the germ theory is inherently flawed.

Brown has become intensely fascinated by diet and nutrition and the work of a bunch of physicians into "food medicine" that seems to work for heart disease, diabetes, asthma, lupis and a bunch of other things.

Brown almost feels bad taking people to the hospital for their chest pain and diabetes ....

Brown's father in law is a diabetic, Brown needs to get sixty days of his time, and lets see if we can't get him off insulin and a bunch of other medications through raw food and a good old fashioned detox.
 
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So, how does the pharmaceutical industry and the doctors being in cahoots have to do with patients who don't pay any attention to their own care? Or who ignore advice/instructions?

Take an imaginary Type II diabetic patient who is significantly over weight and non compliant with diet and meds. They are likely to develop complications from that. They may never be able to get rid of their diabetes, but by adhering to their treatment they may be able to prevent heart, kidney and eye problems.
 
Simple. People are idiots, that is another factor.

It has become accepted in modern society to be a stupid bugger.
 
The limits of medicine

Rather than villify any specific part of the medical industry, in which there is lots of blame to go around, I think it is important to look at what medicine actually is, not what we wish it to be.

For time immemorial the purpose of the medical provider was to relieve suffering and help people to keep functioning at as normal a level as possible basically so they could keep doing what it was they were doing.

In Early times this was to be able to hunt or fish or whatver was needed for base survival.

That evolved to being able to continue a job, trade, or profession in order to earn a living.

In both of these instances, medicine was usually reserved for those who could "go back to work" and palliation was given for those on their way out.

Fast forward a few hundred years.

Medicine becomes a vector for the preservation of wealth. Not only for individuals to maintain productive lives, but for whole nations. The more healthy people are, the more they can produce. The more producers in a society, the wealthier the society.

Now up to this point the idea of what constituted a cure was simply something that could allow a person to continue to do whatever until the end of life. People didn't live as long and as such, many chronic diseases were not even known.

There was also an acceptance of mortality.

The modern age and modern medicine.

For about the last 200 years, especially in the last 100, in the modern world there has been a shift from basic survival and maintaining ability to the idea of having "it all." A pleasurable life, material wealth, independance, and totally devoid of personal responsibility for anything.

Also with this came the defiance of mortality.

"McMedicine" is born.

The actual amount of pathology that can be "cured" has simply been put into sharp relief. When somebody only expects to live 40-50 years or even 50-60 years, getting them to that point is rather easy. Most of the afflictions that ail them can be delayed until something more acute simply kills them outright. Some disease states never present.

But now, the goal is to live forever. Not only live, but be as wealthy and idependant as possible.

To that end, there is the effort of public health and preventative medicine to give people the best start. Which it most effectively and economically does.

But right after the last of the "Well child checkups" it becomes the responsibility of the parental unit to instill the proper health values and techniques to the offspring.

Basic economic position plays a role here. Let's face it, if you are poor, but not destitute, you need to make your money go the farthest. Your McDonald's value meal (Insert any other highly processed food even found at the local supermarket) is a whole meal for about $7 average. The idea of eating healthy is not affordable.

You may find time to excercise, between work and child care responsibilities. But likely not. especially if it involves paying to go to a facility. Mostly because you would rather have electricity instead.

Then there is sedentary entertainment. TV, videogames, etc. Like Ceasar laying around on a couch eating grapes.

The damage is underway.

Sooner or later something forces a person to go see the doctor. Who basically tells them how messed up they are.

The doctor can spend all day teaching them and telling them the best way to preserve their health. Sometimes even give it back to them. But like anything else worth doing, it is hard work, takes discipline and after 50 years of doing as they please and without thought of personal responsibility, they do only enough to keep them functioning at thier level. Surely some will chance, but only a handful.

We must then use everything to our medical knowledge to try and preserve these people. It is demanded at all levels of society. Paliation is reserved only for those in the active dying stage now. Many people including some on this very forum would consider longterm palliation nothing more than drug abuse.

Prolong life. For a day, a month, 3 years, 5 years, 10 years. In any state at any price.

It is actually not medicine that is flawed. It is the perception of what medicine is and does. Some get it, most don't. But the trend continues.
 
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