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Hi fellows

I am new to this forum but I already love it!

In about half a year I am going to move to Canada for at least one year presumably more or even forever ;).

Since I am an EMT here in Austria and I love my job I wondered weather it is possible for an international citizen to become an EMT in Canada. I very much hope so!
 
What does your education and scope of practice look like?
 
is there only one Austrian in Canada?
 
Do you have a visa? Once that is sorted, everything else should be relatively straight forward.
 
Well, I come from the CGI-industry. Or at least this is where I want to go ;)
My last education is a secondary school in Austria which domain mainly is IT: programming and cgi. (In Austria this type of school is the best type of education you can get for a secondary school.)
I graduated from this school about 1 1/2 year ago and immediately started planning my moving to Vancouver to attend Vancouver Film School. Right after graduating from school in Austria I also started my EMT education here.
'Hope that's what you wanted to hear ;).

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@Scott33: No, actually I don't have a visa. The reason for this is, that I talked to the Canadian embassy and they told me that some countries do not need a visa. Austria is one of them. Though I am not sure weather I just don't need one to study in Canada or weather I also don't need one to work there. I just asked them about studying there.
(But getting a visa won't be a problem for me according to the Canadian embassy.)
 
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Moving to Canada has been discussed on many threads within this web site. I will let you do your own search to find those threads. Having said that, here is some information about British Columbia, where the Vancouver Film School is located.

We have one ambulance service (government run) for the entire province and there is currently no process for international equivalency. You might be able to transfer your training to another province and then to BC, but that will be a lengthy and time consuming process.

Yes you would need a work visa to be able to work here and a student visa would not cut it. A student visa will allow you to work on the campus of the school you are attending but not anywhere else.

Retraining is a lengthy process (if you wanted to go that route). Only two schools in the province offer an entry level of training and their courses are full time 4 months plus spread out over a 6 month+ period.

There is currently a very difficult ambulance labour dispute in British Columbia that does not appear to be anywhere near a resolve. Many Primary Care Paramedic students (EMT I) have abandoned their course after waiting more than a year for the on car portion of their course.

Even if you did get a licence here the entry level job is part time on call (only paid wen you do a call) in communities that are three plus hours drive from Vancouver.

Now, you say you are here to go to the Vancouver Film school. Honestly the process in BC would be very difficult to get through for you. That and having known a few people that have attended the Vancouver film school you really won't have much time to do anything else that requires any serious time commitment.

I'm not trying to burst your bubble but perhaps you should focus on your new career path and make the best of of your time while you are here in Vancouver.

Any other questions feel free to ask.
 
Sorry, I see that you have posted that you do not need a visa to go to school here. You would still need a visa to work here though. I am married to a British EX pat that went to school here. She was constantly renewing work visas when in school.
 
Alright thanks for the clearing! I didn't inted to do anything along with VFS at the same time. I know this school is very time consuming! I just wanted to know weather it was possible in general. I also didn't think of transferring my training to BC since I have no idea about your EMS system. So that wouldn't be wise I guess ;).

Just to get this straight: I read a lot of differing numbers about the length of the EMT-B training. Does this vary from city to city? Or is there a general period?

Initially I intended to do the school and after graduating look for a job in the cgi indusrty. If I didn't find one in time I thought about starting the EMT-B training and while training continue looking for my desired job.
 
Just to get this straight: I read a lot of differing numbers about the length of the EMT-B training. Does this vary from city to city? Or is there a general period?

Initially I intended to do the school and after graduating look for a job in the cgi indusrty. If I didn't find one in time I thought about starting the EMT-B training and while training continue looking for my desired job.

Canada is not the US, so no EMT-B, EMT-P etc except in Alberta. They have a system that makes sense, and although there is a little provincial variation in scopes of practice and education it follows this concept:

They have something called the NOCP- National Occupational Competency Profile which lists the core skills that each level will have; a generic scope of practice basically. Look at it here http://www.paramedic.ca/Uploads/Appendix 5 Medications.pdf

The biggest difference in Canada is the level of knowledge and education is way in advance of the American system and these guys are generally extremely well educated. If you take a PCP from Ontario with two years of schooling he will know a whole hell of a lot more than the American system has led us to believe is necessary to dish out the medications he carries.

While I understand there is a some skermish-ing and variation between provinces, generally I am very impressed with the Canadian system eh! Dang them super efficent smartly Canuckistanadians!

Primary Care Paramedic
As the name suggest, this is the prime level which includes the skills that all ambo's have. In Alberta this is called "Emergency Medical Technician"

To contrast; in BC they can start IVs whereas in Novia Scotia they cannot, in Alberta the education lasts a number of months, in Ontario it is two years.

NOCP medications at this level are: naloxone, adrenaline, enotnox, GTN, aspirin, salbutamol, glucagon

Advanced Care Paramedic
This is advanced life support, what we call Intensive Care Paramedic and is known as EMT-Paramedic in the US. In Alberta this is called "Emergency Medical Technologist - Paramedic".

To contrast; in Alberta the course is two years, in Ontario it's one.

All ACP programs must be accredited by the Canadian Medical Association.

Critical Care Paramedic
These guys are I believe, generally found on the helicopters and one or two ground trucks like in Toronto. They do proper critical care, people on lots of meds and pumps and rapid sequence intubation (although I believe ACPs can do RSI in some areas).

For you the biggest problem will be visas and education; whether your visa will allow you to study and obtain a Class 4 (or Class F in Ontario) DL to drive the ambulance.

Can you not get trained up in Austria? What does ambo training in Austria look like?
 
Thank you for explainig - I didn't know that there was such a big difference between Canada an the US!

Can you not get trained up in Austria? What does ambo training in Austria look like?

Yes I can but the problem is that I am moving to Vancouver in about 5 months so there is no time left. But I love America and especially Canada and since the chances of getting a job in the CGI industry are so much higher in America than they are in Austria I would love to stay in America for the rest of my life ;). So if I wanted to continue my training the best thing would be to do it in America.

What does it look like? Well there are a lot of different levels. Much more than necessary ;)

We also have something like an EMT B. The next level after B permits certain medication. The 3rd is splitted into three more. One for extended medication. One for vascular access and the last one for intubation.

For you the biggest problem will be visas and education; whether your visa will allow you to study and obtain a Class 4 (or Class F in Ontario) DL to drive the ambulance.

As I said; according to the embassy-guy getting a working permit won't be a problem. (I hope he is right..) But I will need this either way. (CGI job or EMS.)
The DL is not so important for me right at the moment. Or is it required anyways?
 
Thank you for explainig - I didn't know that there was such a big difference between Canada an the US!

The American system is a joke, Canada is much more onto it dang them super smart Canuckistanadians!

So if I wanted to continue my training the best thing would be to do it in America.

I assume you mean North America; Canada in particular. The American system is somewhat behind-the-times to say the least and any US certification is basically null and void outside the US (or even in some parts of the US) because it is grossly inadequate.

While I assume you mean North America; and Canada in particular I'll add in a word of warning - stay away from the US when it comes to any form of EMS training unless you're going to Seattle.

The DL is not so important for me right at the moment. Or is it required anyways?

Far be it from me to counsel you on the Canadian DL system however I know you need a Class 4 (or F in Ontario) license to be hired as an ambo, some even require you to have it to go to school.

Just check the type of visa you will get allows you to obtain a Canadian provincial drivers license.
 
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You should also inquire about international student fees, these are often much much more than those charged to Canadian citizens.

Thats right I forgot about that, international fees are about 400% greater here for example.
 
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