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I know this isn't the Textbook answer or the morally correct answer. But if you encountered this in real life, I'd probably just keep it to yourself. Unless they literally beat a man to near death for no reason, I would just keep your mouth shut and go on with your business. I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but sometimes you gotta pick and choose your fights, and getting an officer fired, and a bunch of media on the PD isn't my thing.
I know this isn't the Textbook answer or the morally correct answer. But if you encountered this in real life, I'd probably just keep it to yourself. Unless they literally beat a man to near death for no reason, I would just keep your mouth shut and go on with your business. I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but sometimes you gotta pick and choose your fights, and getting an officer fired, and a bunch of media on the PD isn't my thing.
I am paramedic student in MO. I have been tasked with the assignment to decide ethically what I would do in the situation that a hypoglycemic person was believed to be intoxicated and the beat with an asp presumably for self defense both before and after being restrained. At the time in this situation the officers are not aware of any medical issue and are overly confident pt is just drunk.
Pt was hit in head several times causing 3 open hematomas as well as in the upper arm and posterior thigh. pt was aggressive and belligerent but is now unresponsive to pain with gurgling respiration after "being subdued".
My question is not of treatment or what decision to make as that is for me to decide but do any of you have any protocols for reporting such an event or any first hand experience of something similar?
I know this isn't the Textbook answer or the morally correct answer. But if you encountered this in real life, I'd probably just keep it to yourself. Unless they literally beat a man to near death for no reason, I would just keep your mouth shut and go on with your business. I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but sometimes you gotta pick and choose your fights, and getting an officer fired, and a bunch of media on the PD isn't my thing.
While I won't justify the actions of any officer when I wasn't present, I will caution you on jumping on the "police brutality" bandwagon prematurely. While there are numerous instances of excessive force - which should be reported - the reality is what the public perceives as "brutality" is really ignorance and the cops are within the law.
You wouldn't want people jumping to conclusions about you, so don't do it for others. If you have FACTS to support your suspicions then report it, otherwise stay out of the way.
It's my understanding that this is a scenario for a class. Regardless, I don't see how asking a question that invites thoughtful discussion would be a bad thing.I am going to call BS on this one. You sound like you are trolling.
I am an ex-cop. The ASP is rarely used. Ever hear of a Taser? In reality you would be tased first. The ASP is intended to be used on soft, fatty tissue and thigh, bicep areas are our targets as is the Abdominal cavity.
A strike to the head would be justified if Deadly force was justified.
While I won't justify the actions of any officer when I wasn't present, I will caution you on jumping on the "police brutality" bandwagon prematurely. While there are numerous instances of excessive force - which should be reported - the reality is what the public perceives as "brutality" is really ignorance and the cops are within the law.
You wouldn't want people jumping to conclusions about you, so don't do it for others. If you have FACTS to support your suspicions then report it, otherwise stay out of the way.
I am paramedic student in MO. I have been tasked with the assignment to decide ethically what I would do in the situation that a hypoglycemic person was believed to be intoxicated and the beat with an asp presumably for self defense both before and after being restrained. At the time in this situation the officers are not aware of any medical issue and are overly confident pt is just drunk.
Pt was hit in head several times causing 3 open hematomas as well as in the upper arm and posterior thigh. pt was aggressive and belligerent but is now unresponsive to pain with gurgling respiration after "being subdued".
My question is not of treatment or what decision to make as that is for me to decide but do any of you have any protocols for reporting such an event or any first hand experience of something similar?
Well...... as an LEO and EMS use of force instructor....... I think this is a RIDICULOUS scenario to offer a student. Especially when violence against EMS is such an issue. Why is the instructor not taking class time to discuss provider/patient safety as far as violence?