The comment regarding the NLNAC and the BON's that accept Excelsior is not from the nursing forum. EC is accredited by the NLNAC. This is not up for discussion. 34 states approve Excelsior without additional requirements. This is also not up for discussion.
See above. This statement is completely false.
Again, I'll defer to the opinion of the NLNAC and 34 state Boards of Nursing. They all disagree with you in regards to the adequacy of EC. As for moving on to BSN for entry level, I agree with this and have stated this multiple times. Although I did take the faster route to RN licensure, I will eventually wrap up my BSN completion program. More education is always a good thing.
You are putting a lot of emphasis on this "no clinical hours" argument while ignoring the fact that all EC grads come in with a healthcare background, and all EC grads do complete a pass-or-fail clinical performance examination in which there is no teaching or coaching involved, and where the student has virtually zero room for error.
Passing a test is not difficult, but passing NCLEX does show some basic level of understanding in regards to the field of nursing. That was my point. I clearly stated that passing it does not make one a good nurse.
My issue was not whether or not the MSN has clinicals. In fact, I specifically stated that I understand that they do have clinicals. My point was echoing your issue with the dangers of healthcare professionals who think that they know more than they actually know. Schools are throwing the title of Master's-prepared nurse on someone with "just as many clinicals as the ADN program at a community college" (your words). An ADN-equivalent nurse with a Master's in Nursing. This can lead to an overinflated opinion of one's abilities.
Am I going to raise up a pitchfork and decry direct-entry Master's programs because of this? No. Those programs are accredited and state-approved, and I trust accreditation committees' and state boards' opinions more than I trust my personal opinion in the matter of nursing education.
At what point did my posts turn into bragging?
You took a full patient load on day one of your new job, with no unit orientation aside from working on the unit in clinical rotations during school? And this is a Magnet facility? Wow. A Magnet facility with no orientation for new hires. That seems like a pretty high-risk practice.
And I did say that I was done with this thread. But, I also said in my first post today... er.. yesterday.. that I was bored and I was back for more punishment.
I'm failing to see why claiming that a nursing program is adequate would preclude me from defending said program. That seems rather bass-ackwards, doesn't it? I think this is nearing the "grasping at straws" tier of debate. If someone were on this forum bashing
your school and making grossly misinformed statements with no hard information to back those statements up, I believe that you would probably throw your two cents into the mix.
Believe me when I say that the only emotion I have when reading some of these posts is pure amusement.
Universally? 100% of every nurse manager that you supposedly spoke to regarding EC said that they would not hire an EC grad? As with test questions, whenever the word "always" or "never" is thrown into an answer, that's a huge red flag. I just don't buy your story.
Fortunately, this is the internet, and you aren't required to back up your claims with hard information. Perhaps that's where I'm going wrong here. I need less hard facts and more fabrication!
Also, you're implying that EC is disreputable. I will once again defer to the NLNAC and 34 states Boards of Nursing that have determined that EC is a reputable program.
Wrong. 16 states have various regulations regarding EC grads, some of which include additional clinical time. The other 34 do not. Your state, Colorado, is included in those 16 states that have additional regulations on EC grads.