Not Guilty of inappropriately touching patient

medic417

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Sasha

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Of course not. That is why I am all for those accused or sexual assault or child abuse to have their identities protected until they are found guilty.

He is more of a victim then his formerly alleged victim.
 

Veneficus

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His certification should not be difficult to get back.

At least in states I have worked in it wouldn't be.

Reputation on the other hand, an entirely different matter.

It is unfortunate, but he will probably have to move rather far away from his current residence even if he doesn't want to work in EMS again.

The bright side is, there are so many people looking for EMS jobs, in a week nobody outside his area of the world will even remember the name.

Similar to what Sasha said, I think anyone accused of a crime should have their identity withheld until convicted.

Not only does it wrongfully destroy a reputation to even be accused or arrested, it seems to completely destroy any presumption of innocence.
 

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Certification back? Maybe.
Reputation back? No way.

It makes one wonder if he would turn around and push a defamation lawsuit. I know it wouldn't really do much for reputation but for a career ending allegation, it'd be something to look into.
 

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Certification back? Maybe.
Reputation back? No way.

It makes one wonder if he would turn around and push a defamation lawsuit. I know it wouldn't really do much for reputation but for a career ending allegation, it'd be something to look into.

and collect what from who?
 

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I don't think we've heard the last of this, though. This part concerns me in more ways than one.
Reid argued that the woman's testimony about what happened remained consistent and supported by the ambulance driver with Donovan that night.

The driver described Donovan's hands "moving up and down and around the patient's body," Reid said during closing arguments.
 

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Up and down and around the pts body...wow sounds like an assessment to me, which happens to be what the girl described. Now, there is no way to tell if the femoral pulses legitimately needed to be assessed, at least that is a legitimate medical procedure. It isn't like he gave her a purple nurple like the guy did in the Christmas day case.

I know how much you can see from the driver's seat depends on the type/build of the ambulance and the position of the gurney head. If the gurney head it up at all in the ambs about all I can see is the person moving around, and not exactly where their hands are. If someone asked me what I saw it would amount to "Well, I couldn't see their hands, but they were moving around on the bench seat and I could see their arms reaching towards different areas of the body."
 

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Up and down and around the pts body

I thought that was the prosecutor's summary, not the actual testimony by the driver.

Even if the driver did say those words, which was probably like a dream come true for the prosecutor, it may not have been made as an accusatory statement nor implied inappropriate actions.

"Was the accused moving his hands up and down and around the body of the patient?"

"Yes" is still a true statement.

There is no mention of whether or not it was improper.


.wow sounds like an assessment to me, which happens to be what the girl described.

Me too. In fact, it could probably be used to describe every physical exam I have ever done.

I think a lot of the accusation may be subjective. Most people are nervous over a physical exam, particularly more "intrusive" parts of the exam.

It is also situationally and culturally variable.

Imagine your first physical exam by a healthcare provider without a parent. Perhaps you were a bit nervous, maybe outright scared.

So you are telling your mom you didn't like certain parts after the fact.

Somebody "overhears" this, decides this hearsay sounds inappropriate for the circumstances. (let's just accuse a nurse ;) ) then comes in and tells you how it was inappropriate and that you should contac t the authorities.

Now you believe it was inappropriate because somebody who would know or you trusted told you it was.

As such, the legal system is engaged. The LEO investigates, a prosecutor decides there is enough to proceed. Eventually there is a plea or a trial.

Maybe you just don't like the person or reason you are having the exam so to exact some revenge you level an accusation?

Maybe you do so hoping to not have to pay a bill for service?

Even this clip leaves many unanswered questions.

Just to be the devil's advocate, who is to say he didn't do something wrong and just told a good story in court or left insufficent evidence?
 

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Just to be the devil's advocate, who is to say he didn't do something wrong and just told a good story in court or left insufficent evidence?

The jury.
 

Veneficus

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The jury.

That doesn't mean the defendant wasn't guilty, only he was not found guilty.

I am sure there are more than a few famous cases of that.
 

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That doesn't mean the defendant wasn't guilty, only he was not found guilty.

I am sure there are more than a few famous cases of that.

I realize that, but one of the basic tenants of our judicial system is that the jury is the final say in what happened.
 

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I realize that, but one of the basic tenants of our judicial system is that the jury is the final say in what happened.

very true,

But it also supposedly is a jury of your peers.

How often does that really happen?
 
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Driver driving can only get small glances so any statement from them would be meaningless. As others have noted basically all they could truthfully say is that they noticed you near the patient.

No point in suing as patient already is considered mental so hard to find anyone to rule against her in a law suit. I would not be shocked if she sues the medic though.
 

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I would even argue her name needs to be released so providers who care for her in the future know to be extra cautious as she has a hx of fabricating assaults for attention.
 

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I would even argue her name needs to be released so providers who care for her in the future know to be extra cautious as she has a hx of fabricating assaults for attention.

I agree with the theory but in reality it doesn't seem like it would work. Think about how many people we see on a daily basis, the names all blend together after a while.
 

Sasha

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Heck even removing a Tele can be perceived as inappropriate. I try to disconnect the leads through the gown to preserve the patients modesty. That sometimes means running my hand over their torso to locate them.
 

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Heck even removing a Tele can be perceived as inappropriate. I try to disconnect the leads through the gown to preserve the patients modesty. That sometimes means running my hand over their torso to locate them.

I've seen some medics who just grab the bundle of leads and pull (when appropriate with the pts condition). They usually just all pop off without a problem.
 

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