I beleive Hatzolah should be disbanded.

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http://www.nytimes.com/1995/03/15/n...volunteer-ambulance-units.html?pagewanted=all

If the above happened to anyone else.....?

I still do not get, that a public safety agency, regulated by New York State, can have a requirement that one is JEWISH.

Imagine the outcry if there was a muslim or even christian service......

My vollie had jewish people, unmarried, and under 25...

I beleive volunteer ambulance services should cover a geographic area, not a religeon/ethnicity.

Hatzolah recieves grants of public money, and contributions are tax deductable...and the heads guy makes $200,000K a year....

WTF ?

If this money were channeled into a public EMS agency, where any qualified person can work, what would the difference be.

They respond in POVs, and abuse the lights and sirens, the NYPD are openly afraid to challenge them, ever.
 
Why? They are definitely not the first to do an esophageal intubation that has a bad outcome. Alos, Hatzolah does cover a region. It isn't like they ask you your religion before they treat you.
 
Yes ANYONE could have done a bad intubation, yet, that tech operated beyond his scope of certification.

Anyone else would have had their certification yanked.

And they take public money and set aside to serve a distinct demographic.

And their opertunities are only for married jewish males.

That money could funs a public EMS system that anyone with the background and intrest in EMS could serve with.
 
Why are we complaining over them all being Jewish? It's their right as a minority to hire who they want and as a private company. That's like getting mad at the local hospitals for being catholic and hiring only catholics (not that I'd go there since they refuse to do tubal ligations for women on principle lol). Off to read the article so I can understand a bit more.
 
It sounds like the bigger issue is that the oversight is unclear. The article says most of their funding comes from synagogues and they provide care to anyone not just Jews, though they probably have quite a leg up on dealing with orthodox religious of any sort which is probably convenient in NYC.


Not to be snarky, but did you actually read the article? They don't only serve Jews. Also, the guy who did the intubation was not performing outside his scope based on the rules that his agency has to follow as they are registered rather than certified.
 
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I know exactly what to do with myself since there are no EMT-b opportunities.

I am going to video them driving POV lights and sirens, follow them, and listen to scanner to see if there is an actual call.

I will video females driving lights and sirens through traffic.

I will video the placcarded POV cars illegally parked outside department stores, with females walking back to them with shopping bags.

I will publicize those videos.

I know that they pay 1/2 of what everyone else pays for the EMT class where I took it, ergo, the other students subsidize Hatzolah training.

I am also learning how they have that schools test bank on file, I will get the facts and report them.

However, I am certain it will blow over, the same way assaulting a cops son, and pressuring people to give up their damn kidneys gets blown over as well....

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/nyregion/30organs.html

http://www.haaretz.com/print-editio...about-kidney-trafficking-7-years-ago-1.280718

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/19/nyregion/19crown.html


If anyone faces criminal charges they can just run to Isreal....
 
Sassafras said:
Why are we complaining over them all being Jewish? It's their right as a minority to hire who they want and as a private company. That's like getting mad at the local hospitals for being catholic and hiring only catholics (not that I'd go there since they refuse to do tubal ligations for women on principle lol). Off to read the article so I can understand a bit more.
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Those catholic hospitals can not discriminate with who they give jobs or health care to.

They can refuse to do certain procedures not required by law....but Hatzolah is the only health care organization that discriminates who they have work for them.

And they recieve public money grants for equipment etc, buy equipment sales tax free...unlike normal company...and donations reduce the taxes of the people that donate....

So why cant EVERYONE be taxed for an EMS service that ANYONE could serve with...
 
The other articles you posted have nothing to do with your original article, unless you're implying that the Jews are out to get you. :ph34r: Maybe you also need a tin foil hat?
 
Sassafras said:
Why are we complaining over them all being Jewish? It's their right as a minority to hire who they want and as a private company. That's like getting mad at the local hospitals for being catholic and hiring only catholics (not that I'd go there since they refuse to do tubal ligations for women on principle lol). Off to read the article so I can understand a bit more.
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I am not compaling about them being jewish.

I think in the USA anyone should be able to join any group that is public safety oriented, like fire, police or ems.

An ambulance is not a cultural or social group.
 
What on earth are you going on about? You have ceased making any sense.
 
No, it doesn't clear things up at all. A grant doesn't mean that the group should be disbanded. You're just mad because you can't get a job with them.
 
convert and get married, then you can destroy them from within!
 
emt seeking first job said:
Those catholic hospitals can not discriminate with who they give jobs or health care to.

They can refuse to do certain procedures not required by law....but Hatzolah is the only health care organization that discriminates who they have work for them.

And they recieve public money grants for equipment etc, buy equipment sales tax free...unlike normal company...and donations reduce the taxes of the people that donate....

So why cant EVERYONE be taxed for an EMS service that ANYONE could serve with...
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I've seen catholic hospitals who only hire catholics. Somehow they get away with it. Many non health care organizations get grants, hire only their own and get tax reductions for donations. It's the nature of religious organizations and this one just happens to be healthcare related. I don't really get too upset about things like this. At least this particular organization is helping people. I've seen organizations do real harm to their communities and still keep their tax exempt status and get their government kickbacks for being non profit. This I can't seem to get upset about.

Should we insist that schools only hire everyone? Private schools should not get grants either. They are educating our children after all. It's just too sticky to get upset about this particular unit, when I know a large portion of non profit organizations cater only to their kind.
 
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How can a grant of public money go towards a specific group ?

And really, could any other group have its own ambulance service?

Could a muslim group do that?

And dont give me any 911 crap....

The same idiots that think all muslims are terrorists are the same idiots that thought all japanese and germans were nazis, and all russians were commies....

Really, imagine a MUSLIM ambulance service getting a 1/2 $ grant.........

It is my opinion that ambulance services should be open to ANYONE to serve in.

You can agree or disagree. MAybe if you disagree, some executive at a private ambulance company will give you a tech job for $9/hour....?

http://lukeford.net/blog/?p=2749
 
Sassafras said:
I've seen catholic hospitals who only hire catholics. Somehow they get away with it. Many non health care organizations get grants, hire only their own and get tax reductions for donations. It's the nature of religious organizations and this one just happens to be healthcare related. I don't really get too upset about things like this. At least this particular organization is helping people. I've seen organizations do real harm to their communities and still keep their tax exempt status and get their government kickbacks for being non profit. This I can't seem to get upset about.
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I go to an Orthodox Christian Church.

There are two nurses and a social worker that work for catholic hospitals. I have even seen jews working in them.

Lets take a census.

There is not ONE non-jew in Hatzolah.

So what if it is volunteer. That experience they receive is invaluable....so are the VAS plates and parking placards (which noone should have off durty.)
 
8jimi8 said:
convert and get married, then you can destroy them from within!
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emt seeking first job said:
How can a grant of public money go towards a specific group ?

And really, could any other group have its own ambulance service?

Could a muslim group do that?

And dont give me any 911 crap....

The same idiots that think all muslims are terrorists are the same idiots that thought all japanese and germans were nazis, and all russians were commies....

Really, imagine a MUSLIM ambulance service getting a 1/2 $ grant.........

It is my opinion that ambulance services should be open to ANYONE to serve in.

You can agree or disagree. MAybe if you disagree, some executive at a private ambulance company will give you a tech job for $9/hour....?

http://lukeford.net/blog/?p=2749
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I can assure you if the muslim ambulance service exists it's gotten a grant. The federal government (if this is a federal grant) does not discriminate against what groups funds go to. If they meet with the check list that must be done when applying for grants (which is a long drawn out process btw) and the funds are there, they get the grant. I would encourage you to do some studying on grant applications. Any group can gain access to funds. It goes along with the freedom of religion and our right to assemble. It's just better if they actually help their communities with the money vs hoarding it for their own purposes. Regardless of who they hire, this unit is helping the community. And from what I'm reading they are helping others regardless of their faith which is a lot more than I can say for private schools.
 
I believe most Hatzolah branches are 501c3 registered, which means they can apply for grants if they wish. I'm really failing to see what on earth is the big deal here.
 
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