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How to measure an NPA

Discussion in 'BLS Discussion' started by Mya, Feb 10, 2018.

  1. Mya

    Mya Forum Crew Member

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    I've heard both ways where I work. From the earlobe to the corner of the nose or the tip?? I've also seen both online.
     
  2. DesertMedic66

    DesertMedic66 Forum Troll

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    Split the difference?

    In reality such a small change in the length like that is not going to have any issues.
     
  3. NomadicMedic

    NomadicMedic EMS Edumacator

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    Tip of the nose to the earlobe.
     
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  4. Remi

    Remi Forum Deputy Chief Premium Member

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    The biggest that will fit.
     
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  5. StCEMT

    StCEMT Forum Deputy Chief

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    26-30 will generally get you pretty close for a lot of pwople.
     
  6. NomadicMedic

    NomadicMedic EMS Edumacator

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  7. DesertMedic66

    DesertMedic66 Forum Troll

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    Some of ours are clear...
     
  8. Peak

    Peak ED/Prehospital Registered Nurse

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    Diameter of pinky finger roughly equals diameter of nostril lumen. Choose that one and trim if needed; if they gag it was too long.
     
  9. Mya

    Mya Forum Crew Member

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    For re testing purposes!
     
  10. NomadicMedic

    NomadicMedic EMS Edumacator

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    I said “USE THE GREEN ONE”
     
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  11. E tank

    E tank Caution: Paralyzing Agent

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    Grab a 9 (or equivalent). That'll work for most any adult. 10 for Andre the Giant (I only have 3 choices where I am). Kids you actually need to measure. Ear lobe to corner of the mouth.
     
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  12. CALEMT

    CALEMT The Other Guy/ Paramaybe?

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    What if they’re all green?
     
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  13. DesertMedic66

    DesertMedic66 Forum Troll

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    You combine them to make one green one
     
  14. CALEMT

    CALEMT The Other Guy/ Paramaybe?

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    One super green NPA.
     
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    Sort of like Voltron.
     
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  16. Aprz

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    In my own experience, a lot of adults will actually take >30 Fr. For measurement, I like to grab a 32 Fr first for most patients. I'll then measure from the tip of the nose to the earlobe, or the tragus of the ear is fine too. Based on that measurement, I'll use it or go up/down as needed. I think measuring to the bottom of the nose is too short. It is common for me meet to resistance when I put it in, nothing as bad as how my EMT instructors made it sound, but once I pass that resistance with very slight force and twisting, it'll have no problem going the rest of the way in. I don't really care about the direction of the bevel (I think the direction of the bevel is suppose to minimize nose bleeds, avoid lacerating Keisselbach's plexus, but once it is passed the septum of the nose, it is no longer an issue). I've always inserted the NPA with the curve matching the anatomy of inside of the nose rather than doing that dumb 180 twist (I say dumb since I think it is just unnecessary to try it this way). Although it is suppose to be for patients that cannot tolerate an OPA due to a gag reflex, my patients often gag or cough still when I initally insert it, but it usually isn't a problem afterwards.

    I don't think there is any one right way to do it. I read an article that based it on the patient's height from theemtspot saying that it is best to use the patient's height, that using the patient's pinky finger often gives too small of a size. I personally think the article listed NPA sizes that were too small. I agree with others who said to use the biggest you can fit. It is suppose to help open the airway, so you don't want just a coffee straw small one to being doing that job. It needs to be long enough to actually get to the airway as well. In my own experience, it is day and night when using an airway while bag-masking the patient, and I think "success" would be how easy it is for you to bag-mask ventilate the patient. I also use it frequently on patients that I am not bagging such as very obtunded EtOH patients with a snoring respiration/low SpO2 for example. I'll put it in and put a cannula or non rebreather over it. Anyways, don't limit its use to patients that you are going to bag-mask ventilate.
     
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  17. Remi

    Remi Forum Deputy Chief Premium Member

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    It really does just come down to using the biggest size they'll tolerate. 32 is pretty much the smallest size I use in adults.

    If you are mask-ventilating an obtunded patient, then stimulation shouldn't be much of a problem. Literally lube up the biggest one that looks like it'll fit, and stuff it in there. Twisting as you push helps. Obviously you don't want to be too rough, even though these things are soft

    A patient who isn't quite that deep but is obstructing, you have to be a little more careful and gentle.
     
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  18. DrParasite

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    fun fact: the sizes of the NPAs are the width of the hole, not the length of the NPA.

    Another fun fact: different manufacturers have different lengths for their NPAs. We actually compared two NPAs, one clear and one green, same 34FR: they were a half inch difference in overall length between the two

    you can measure from the ear to the nose, or the ear to the mouth, but at the end of the day, the important thing is will it fit in the guys nose. I like the pinky method myself, but in general, lube it up the biggest one they will tolerate; if you encounter resistance, go one size smaller.
     
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  19. mantree

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    28f... everyone gets a 28f. That OD 28f that old lady 28f and the 23 year out man child with a fishhook in his hand defenetly gets a 28f. That's all I keep in the med kit in my truck.
     

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