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Everyone in EMS has a passion.


Everyone in EMS has a passion. Some have a passion to care for the sick and injured period. Some have a passion to be the best at reading 12 Leads and treating cardiac related emergencies. Some have a passion to be the best educator they can be. All of these are equally “accepted” in EMS.

My passion is not so readily accepted. My passion is for the safety of EMS Providers. The reason it is not so readily accepted is still a mystery. According to a recent study jointly commissioned by the NAEMT and McNeil Consumer and Specialty Pharmaceuticals reported that:
4 out of 5 medics are injured on the job:

52% assaulted by a patient
50% exposed to infectious disease
47% have sustained a back injury
21% have contracted an illness from a patient.

What is the highest number? Why do these studies pass like a flash in a pan? EMS providers will post a story of how they were attacked on scene then people in a forum will jump on them and ask “Where was scene safety” or talk about how they would have never let that happen to them.

More so than not, a person who had not been assaulted will be the biggest nay sayer, claiming that never happens. Well, tell that to Dave Dubay who had his back broken by a patient and ended his EMS career. Tell that to the female medic who had her face smashed with a pipe. Tell it to Woody who was shot with little warning by patient he transported several times in the past with no problem. Tell it to the medic who got her leg broken in the back of the ambulance recently. Tell it to ME when I had my ambulance car-jacked while loaded with a patient!

Just look at the “Body Assault Log” at http://www.emsnetwork.org and keep it in perspective.

You are told to glove up prior to getting out of the ambulance. A great preventative measure to address the infectious disease portion (50%).

You are told to check for scene safety. Again great preventative measure (The scene is not always as safe as you thought it was).

You have to take a “back test” and get trained in proper lifting of the stretcher……..well that’s the 47%er.

Where is the training to free you from actual assaults the biggest number up there? Now get the training for all “4” battles with DT4EMS. The battle of your mind, the actual physical assault, the media and the courtroom. If your training isn’t giving you skills for each it is lacking.

www.dt4ems.net is my passion in EMS.

Kip Teitsort EMT-P, I/C
 

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Whoohoo!! you sold me!!


Well, you sold me a long time ago, but I think what your doing is sorely needed in EMS. Great article, I hope you put it out with your advertising!!
 

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Kip - as I've said - I agree with your views 110%... and as soon as you bring the course this way... I'll be your first student :D

Also... www.firefighterclosecalls.com has started www.emsclosecalls.com for EMS provider incidents... Kip - you might want to submit that article you posted here.

Jon
 
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Whoa...cool find! I submitted some stuff. We will see what happens.

You guys are the best!
 

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DT4EMS said:
Everyone in EMS has a passion.


Everyone in EMS has a passion. Some have a passion to care for the sick and injured period. Some have a passion to be the best at reading 12 Leads and treating cardiac related emergencies. Some have a passion to be the best educator they can be. All of these are equally “accepted” in EMS.

My passion is not so readily accepted. My passion is for the safety of EMS Providers. The reason it is not so readily accepted is still a mystery. According to a recent study jointly commissioned by the NAEMT and McNeil Consumer and Specialty Pharmaceuticals reported that:
4 out of 5 medics are injured on the job:

52% assaulted by a patient
50% exposed to infectious disease
47% have sustained a back injury
21% have contracted an illness from a patient.

What is the highest number? Why do these studies pass like a flash in a pan? EMS providers will post a story of how they were attacked on scene then people in a forum will jump on them and ask “Where was scene safety” or talk about how they would have never let that happen to them.

More so than not, a person who had not been assaulted will be the biggest nay sayer, claiming that never happens. Well, tell that to Dave Dubay who had his back broken by a patient and ended his EMS career. Tell that to the female medic who had her face smashed with a pipe. Tell it to Woody who was shot with little warning by patient he transported several times in the past with no problem. Tell it to the medic who got her leg broken in the back of the ambulance recently. Tell it to ME when I had my ambulance car-jacked while loaded with a patient!

Just look at the “Body Assault Log” at http://www.emsnetwork.org and keep it in perspective.

You are told to glove up prior to getting out of the ambulance. A great preventative measure to address the infectious disease portion (50%).

You are told to check for scene safety. Again great preventative measure (The scene is not always as safe as you thought it was).

You have to take a “back test” and get trained in proper lifting of the stretcher……..well that’s the 47%er.

Where is the training to free you from actual assaults the biggest number up there? Now get the training for all “4” battles with DT4EMS. The battle of your mind, the actual physical assault, the media and the courtroom. If your training isn’t giving you skills for each it is lacking.

www.dt4ems.net is my passion in EMS.

Kip Teitsort EMT-P, I/C



I find this stuff boring to no end. This may be the reason why your passion isn't readily accepted...............just my opinion...........no offense........
 

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I'm glad to see that you find your personal safety boring to no end....but hey, that's just my opinion...no offense.
 

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I'm glad to see that you find your personal safety boring to no end....but hey, that's just my opinion...no offense.


I think most of it is just glorified common sense and a waste of my time. Whenever i hear safety video or safety seminar, i start dozing off right then and there because their idea of education is hammering mind numbing common sense facts into our brain. Ex. live power line down, do you cross it, NO! (well no sH#t sherlock, zzzzzzzzzzz)
 
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It is OK, I take no offense. I am so used to people that have not been exposed to the real deal (assault) to not understand.

If it is not needed, why must you ask about "Scene Safety" on every testing station?

Does every patient we place on a spineboard need it? Why do we do it?

Same reason we train for surgical crics. It is preparation, not paranoia.

Good luck to you Guardian. Stay safe regardless.
 

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Personal Safety

I wish more people took their own safety seriously. I hate working with the "seasoned" people that think "we're here to help. No one's going to hurt us." I have been attacked by several patients in the past few years. The last time was just about a month ago. I've only acutally be injured once (last month). Most have been psych Pt's but I've had my share of drug/alcohol abusers and just plain mean people.
Most of the attacks have taken place in the back of the ambulance when a "cooperative" Pt decides to become uncooperative. Most of the time, there was no warning....they're were sitting there talking with me as if nothing was happening then they freaked.
Since I'm new, I'll give you some background. I'm not an easy target, I am retired from 20 years in the military. I have also taken street survival classes from a former Cop. I'm also not afraid to use whatever force is necessary to protect myself and my partner. I've caught flack from my supervisors and managers but I have every intentions of going home at the end of my shift.

Take Care and Stay Safe.
 

fm_emt

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My passion is smokey cheddar bacon cheeseburgers. :-D

oh, wait.. wrong forum!
 

MMiz

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rcmedic said:
My passion is smokey cheddar bacon cheeseburgers. :-D

oh, wait.. wrong forum!
LOL! I'm hungry.
 

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WOW!!! I've been moitoring the EMS field to learn the past two years. That figure for being attacked is a damn shame. I consider you people the most caring there are and all I know are the people that do it for free!!!!!

I ask where's your tax break or something for your dedication...they just laugh and say yeah sure.

Next time any of you are attacked....attack back!!!! You should be fine...the guy had a broken arm already...that's why they called you say. I guess you can't...but press charges as hard as you can!!!!!!

I would say try to get some laws passed that give extra punishment for assault like we have for police. You guys deserve as much as them!!!

As far as the back injuries...I have that solved. That's why I'm here and have researched. I want to help EMS and military first. I'm not allowed to talk about it on here but it will be in Emergency Medical Product News. At some point I will ask you guys for further research on it so my theories are right and I don't make things worse.

I layed on a stretcher minutes from death and my daughter had a scary experience which EMS was there. You never realize how appreciative you can be for EMS until you are on your back and in trouble...unfortunately.
 

MMiz

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I seriously believe that having a passion for something is what makes life great. I don't care if I agree with you, or think it's the most ***-backwards idea or movement I've heard of, as long as you're passionate about it I think it's great. While I totally agree with Kip's passion of EMS safety, let me say that I don't agree with all beliefs or movements :)

I had students who mounted a "Save the Frogs" campaign when it came time to dissect frogs in class. Having dissected my fair share of animals I didn't agree with their stance, but I loved to see them really get into and stand behind something they believe in. If we didn't have people like that in the world, I can't imagine where we'd be.

Kip is going to get some people that don't agree with him. I find many people on the rigs that see personal safety as secondary to patient comfort and "care". Iv'e heard of EMTs letting patients out of four-point restraints and getting pummeled, and I've heard of PD sending a patient along without an escort and the EMT getting bashed in the head w/ the O2 canister. Some say it's part of the job, Kip says to be prepared.

Kip's passion is focused on defensive behavior and proactive control, which I see as a valuable skill to have working in an ambulance. Unfortunately Kip's not in Michigan yet. Everyone has to start somewhere, and it's great to see Kip working on something he truly believes in!
 
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Thanks so much for the props Matt. I have gotten past the early frustrations of people not understanding the reson behind what I do, but just like many others have said, you truly don't understand until you have been there.

For years as a police officer I would deal with victims of crimes who would say "I knew something was wrong, but....".

It is the exact same in cases where EMS providers place their safety on the back burner.

I try to pack as much mental training into the 16 hour program I can. There is a lot of hands on, but with mental application into every movement. Prevention after recognition is the best defense........but if you fail to recognize there is a problem....no matter what your skill level, you will be behind the 8 ball.

Stuff like DT4EMS isn't important to you ....until it IS important to you.
 
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