COVID VACCINE

Would you get the Pfizer vaccine if it were available to you?


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Peak

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I still won't take it because the RISK is VERY HUGE because of Kallmann's syndrome and Vitiligo

I don’t recall either of those being a contraindication by any drug manufacturer or regulatory agency.

Can you please enlighten me with the pathophysiology of why any of the diseases you listed would increase your risk of adverse vaccine over the general population?
 

Kavsuvb

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You have Klinefelters too? Dang thats a lot.
Your confusing Klinefelters with Kallmann's
One of the major differences between the two are the levels of the hormones produced by the pituitary gland.

The gonadotropin hormones LH and FSH control puberty, sperm production and testosterone production in males.

In Klinefelter syndrome the levels of LH and FSH are higher than normal, known as hypergonadotropism.

In Kallmann syndrome the levels of LH and FSH are much lower than normal, known as hypogonadotropism.

In Klinefelter syndrome you have partial to normal puberty but the testicles do not function correctly.

In Kallmann syndrome there is partial to no puberty.

The biggest Difference is that in Klinefelter's, they can smell things. In Kallmann's which I have, I am born with NO ability to Smell or Hear. Think how huge that is.

The other big difference is that Klinefelter's are able to reproduce vs Kallmann's they are sterile and can't reproduce without medical intervention.
 
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Kavsuvb

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I don’t recall either of those being a contraindication by any drug manufacturer or regulatory agency.

Can you please enlighten me with the pathophysiology of why any of the diseases you listed would increase your risk of adverse vaccine over the general population?
It's because in consultation with my Endocrinologist and Dermatologist, they don't want to take the risk on me with the Vaccine. It's bad enough I have Kallmann's syndrome and Vitiligo. Also Vitiligo is suspected to be autoimmune and they would rather err on the side of precaution.
 

Peak

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It's because in consultation with my Endocrinologist and Dermatologist, they don't want to take the risk on me with the Vaccine. It's bad enough I have Kallmann's syndrome and Vitiligo. Also Vitiligo is suspected to be autoimmune and they would rather err on the side of precaution.

That doesn’t explain any pathophysiology what so ever.

The current general convention is that the risk of Covid infection is greater than that of immunization in those with immunosuppression with the mRNA vaccines. Even given that concern that only would apply to vitiligo if you are on an immunosuppressant, and does not apply to Kallmann or Klinefelter (XXY) syndrome.

What is the actual disease process in which your specialists think that your prior diagnosis are inappropriate to have you receive COVID vaccination?
 

ffemt8978

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We're getting close to crossing the line of giving medical advice even though it hasn't been crossed yet.
 

Peak

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We're getting close to crossing the line of giving medical advice even though it hasn't been crossed yet.

Sorry.

For clarity my intent is not to offer any medical advice. I do want to prevent any kind of misinformation being presented to readers of this thread, particularly those who do not often follow the site, who may take away some idea that there is some a current practice recommendation against vaccination in the above referenced populations.
 

ffemt8978

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Sorry.

For clarity my intent is not to offer any medical advice. I do want to prevent any kind of misinformation being presented to readers of this thread, particularly those who do not often follow the site, who may take away some idea that there is some a current practice recommendation against vaccination in the above referenced populations.
I understand the difference, but objectively that doesn't mean much. Like I said, it got close to the line but didn't cross over it which is why the posts were allowed to remain.
 

Kavsuvb

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Sorry.

For clarity my intent is not to offer any medical advice. I do want to prevent any kind of misinformation being presented to readers of this thread, particularly those who do not often follow the site, who may take away some idea that there is some a current practice recommendation against vaccination in the above referenced populations.
Like I have said it's all depends on what your doctor or specialist advises you and everyone should check with their doctor or specialist. Mines in my case because of my two rare disease, they are advising against it for ME until they get more data from university professors. As of right now, the data is inconclusive and still many unknowns.
 
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Kavsuvb

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What is the actual disease process in which your specialists think that your prior diagnosis are inappropriate to have you receive COVID vaccination?
It's because my DNA is already messed up. Their concern is that the mRNA vaccines could do more harm to me then good.

My advice, if you ever get a chance, take a college level principle of genetics class. You'll learn alot about Genetics and Genetic disorders including mines.
 

Peak

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Like I have said it's all depends on what your doctor or specialist advises you and everyone should check with their doctor or specialist. Mines in my case because of my two rare disease, they are advising against it for ME until they get more data from university professors. As of right now, the data is inconclusive and still. many unknowns.
It's because my DNA is already messed up. Their concern is that the mRNA vaccines could do more harm to me then good.

My advice, if you ever get a chance, take a college level principle of genetics class. You'll learn alot about Genetics and Genetic disorders including mines.

I already have, my first bachelors was in human and cellular biology. To be clear on the science, mRNA does not enter the nucleous or or mitochondria, and therefore does not alter DNA. It is transcribed by ribosomes in the ER.

Just so I have a clear understanding, you don’t have a scientific reason to present beyond the reported recommendation by your physicians?
 

FiremanMike

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Your confusing Klinefelters with Kallmann's
One of the major differences between the two are the levels of the hormones produced by the pituitary gland.

The gonadotropin hormones LH and FSH control puberty, sperm production and testosterone production in males.

In Klinefelter syndrome the levels of LH and FSH are higher than normal, known as hypergonadotropism.

In Kallmann syndrome the levels of LH and FSH are much lower than normal, known as hypogonadotropism.

In Klinefelter syndrome you have partial to normal puberty but the testicles do not function correctly.

In Kallmann syndrome there is partial to no puberty.

The biggest Difference is that in Klinefelter's, they can smell things. In Kallmann's which I have, I am born with NO ability to Smell or Hear. Think how huge that is.

The other big difference is that Klinefelter's are able to reproduce vs Kallmann's they are sterile and can't reproduce without medical intervention.
I'm curious about how you've been able to overcome being completely deaf to work as a firefighter/emt?
 

Aprz

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I'd be interested in hearing about that too, I've always wondered about how people with visual/auditory disabilities being able to work in the medical field (and firefighting!), but probably not appropriate for this thread.


I got my second shot on the 17th. Pfizer. I have had zero symptoms from both shots. No pain in my arm or anything. It makes me worried that I was given a bad batch that didn't work or do anything. The second shot, I could feel the coolness go into my arm when they injected, but the first one, I didn't feel a thing. The first one was done by a nursing student. They also are having EMTs give shots out here, which is unusual since our EMTs cannot give shots on the ambulance. Our EMTs weren't even able to check blood sugars until last year. It makes me concern that I could've been given an empty syringe since I didn't watch them inject me. Remember that happening on the news?

 
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DrParasite

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They also are having EMTs give shots out here, which is unusual since our EMTs cannot give shots on the ambulance. Our EMTs weren't even able to check blood sugars until last year. It makes me concern that I could've been given an empty syringe since I didn't watch them inject me. Remember that happening on the news?


I'd hate if that happened to me and that I am not truly vaccinated.
The video isn't playing, but if you have anyone injecting you with an empty syringe, you have bigger issues, and their level of training has nothing to do with it. That's simply gross incompetence, border lining on criminal

What the big deal about EMTs giving the shots? Are your EMTs not able to give IM EPI to treat anaphylaxis? How is this any different, other than the stuff inside the syringe is a different liquid? Why are you making this a bigger deal than it should be?
 

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With my first dose of Modena, just had some injection site soreness that lasted 36 hours after the injection.

With my second dose, I also had similar injection site soreness but with myalgias, fatigue, subjective chills and fever, and this very weird chest soreness that kept me awake overnight on day one. Most of that resolved by 24 hours
 

OceanBossMan263

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The video isn't playing, but if you have anyone injecting you with an empty syringe, you have bigger issues, and their level of training has nothing to do with it. That's simply gross incompetence, border lining on criminal

What the big deal about EMTs giving the shots? Are your EMTs not able to give IM EPI to treat anaphylaxis? How is this any different, other than the stuff inside the syringe is a different liquid? Why are you making this a bigger deal than it should be?
In NY the state reached out to all paramedics seeking help giving the vaccine at state sites. There is some training involved but it's more about procedure.
 

Aprz

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@DrParasite In my county, EMTs still cannot give epinephrine IM. Until last year, they couldn't even check blood sugars. This vaccine is the first time they could give any sort of injection. Rhode Island EMTs might have a bigger scope of practice than California paramedics.

I was just saying that I had zero symptoms after both shots so it makes me nervous that I got injected with nothing like the guy in the video (I fixed the link). The first shot, I didn't even feel. I am not saying anything wrong did happen. I'm just thinking since I had no symptoms while most people did.
 

PotatoMedic

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Idaho is allowing EMT's to give the vaccine if trained and allowed by the medical director.
 

NomadicMedic

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PA is using Paramedics that have taken the online course and received medical director approval as jabbers.

The eastern region is paying $30/hour for paramedics to administer vax.
 

Summit

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I already have, my first bachelors was in human and cellular biology. To be clear on the science, mRNA does not enter the nucleous or or mitochondria, and therefore does not alter DNA. It is transcribed by ribosomes in the ER.

Just so I have a clear understanding, you don’t have a scientific reason to present beyond the reported recommendation by your physicians?
Exactly

As my virologist friend says: mRNA does not homologously recombine with DNA - the change from DNA (Thymidine) to RNA (Uracil) prevents the proper hydrogen bonding from occurring. Morever, RNA translation occurs in the cytoplasm and the rough ER, not in the nucleus.
 

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