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Injured K9 EMS treatment?

Discussion in 'Military/Tactical/Wilderness EMS' started by docmoods, Apr 10, 2011.

  1. docmoods

    docmoods New Member

    Location:
    South Jersey
    EMS Training:
    EMT-Basic
    Hey all, just a curious question... anyone in a department with SOP's reguarding treatment of injured Police/SAR K9's? Looking to find a way to train up some of my departments people for possible injury to a police K9...
  2. medicRob

    medicRob New Member

    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    Get with some emergency vet techs. A friend of mine, who I went to EMT school with was really in to animals, so much so that he went on to get his degree in animal sciences. He worked with the University of TN Knoxville to create Equine Ambulances for traffic accidents involving horse trailers resulting in animals being injured, etc.

    Contact your local community college or University. Ask them if they have a Vet Tech program, then see if you can speak with the professor, or go to any animal hospital. I am sure you will find no lack of help, due to this being an issue with police K9s. :)
  3. docmoods

    docmoods New Member

    Location:
    South Jersey
    EMS Training:
    EMT-Basic
    Yea I was already thinking about that I was just curious to see about specific SOP's reguarding care rendered... Thanks for the input though...
  4. usafmedic45

    usafmedic45 New Member

    Location:
    Indiana
    ....or actually talk to an board certified emergency veterinarian. You wouldn't go talk to a nurse about a protocol development, you would go talk to a doc. No disrespect to nurses or vet techs but let's remember that if you're going to be asking complicated questions, it's best to talk to the most educated person you can get in touch with.
  5. bigbaldguy

    bigbaldguy Now 50% balder

    Location:
    Texas
    EMS Training:
    EMT-Paramedic
  6. ChitownKid

    ChitownKid New Member

    Here in Chicago, they did not even touch on animal care in the Emt-B curriculum. Although all mammals do have the same 206 bones, and an Emt/Paramedic may be able to offer some advice on things such as splinting, bleeding control... basic first aid techniques that could be applied to emergency k9 care, but I must agree with everyone when they say your best bet would definately be to contact someone with specific veterinary training
  7. usafmedic45

    usafmedic45 New Member

    Location:
    Indiana
    It's not part of the EMT-B curriculum so I am not surprised at all. I'm not aware of it being a standard part of the regular EMS curriculum anywhere.
  8. medicRob

    medicRob New Member

    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    Uh Umm (Clears throat)... you would if it was an MSN or a DNP. :p
  9. A K-9 officer in our town took some classes or talked alot to vet techs so he takes care of his dog. Has 2 first aid kits in his unit. One for people and one for his partner (the K-9).
  10. usafmedic45

    usafmedic45 New Member

    Location:
    Indiana
    No offense but if I were going to go to court, I'd want the highest level of provider I could backing it up and as much as the nursing profession has been annexing the Sudetenland of physician territory over the past few years, those with MD/DO degrees are still the top of the food chain. When it comes to protocol development, I have two driving principles:
    1. What is best for the patient based on current evidence?
    2. How defensible is this going to be in court?
  11. medicRob

    medicRob New Member

    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    DNP/ DSN education is with emphasis on protocol development and the application evidence based findings into nursing practice. However, I will agree that they usually only create protocols for DNP and lower.

    I will be starting med school soon hopefully, so you get a pass... this time. ha ha
  12. usafmedic45

    usafmedic45 New Member

    Location:
    Indiana
    Honestly, I personally think docs should just cede primary care to the nurse practitioners and PAs entirely and focus on the specialties. I have nothing but respect for advanced practice nurses and I can only hope that respiratory therapy eventually stops chasing its tail and starts moving in that direction. However, I do see the limitations inherent in being a "mid-level".
  13. medicRob

    medicRob New Member

    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    Nah, I'll keep my ACNP specialty area and work along with the docs. I couldn't give up specialty. I started on the dual FNP/ACNP path, but ended up moving to ACNP-Intensivist.
  14. usafmedic45

    usafmedic45 New Member

    Location:
    Indiana
    I agree. It's why I did not go to PA-C school. I have no desire to get stuck doing primary care. I'd fellate the business end of a shotgun first.
  15. medicRob

    medicRob New Member

    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    Until I take my board exam, I function as an APN, just consulting with the MD and NPs in the decisions for treatment and pharmacotherapy. Once I get my ACNP, I will be given my autonomy (of course working in conjunction with senior NPs and the MDs).
  16. mycrofft

    mycrofft Still crazy but elsewhere

    Location:
    Central California
  17. usafmedic45

    usafmedic45 New Member

    Location:
    Indiana
    Yes, but back to the point at hand: veterinary technicians do not have nearly the autonomy nor the prescribing authority nor the education associated with a graduate degreed nurse. The gulf of knowledge of medical science between an average vet tech and an average veterinarian is a lot more like the knowledge gap between your average paramedic and your average board certified physician.
  18. mycrofft

    mycrofft Still crazy but elsewhere

    Location:
    Central California
    Point agreed, but OP was looking for resources.

    Now where IS my Aricept?;)

    For clinical knowledge, go to a doc.
    For SP's, protocols or SOP's, go to a department or handler and get a copy. Then go to a doc to understand them.
  19. pullnshoot25

    pullnshoot25 New Member

    Location:
    San Diego, KA
    EMS Training:
    EMT-Basic
    Might be irrelevant to this thread, but when I went to SHOT show there was a whole booth in the Military/Police section dedicated to K9 medical services. In the booth were bulletproof vests, bandages and even a BVM and CPR mask for them.

    Again, might be irrelevant but it is still kind of cool.
  20. usafmedic45

    usafmedic45 New Member

    Location:
    Indiana
    Bagging a dog is damn difficult without an airway adjunct. They have a Mallampati score of somewhere around 15.

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