EMS Unions in So cal

LACoGurneyjockey said:

I propose we all make $15 an hour across the board. Much like fast food workers, we are over worked and under paid and I demand an immediate, dramatic pay increase because it would really make my life a lot easier. I will not further my education however, and I will continue to do the bare minimum.
And I want a pony with ATCEMS painted down the side.

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LACoGurneyjockey said:

Then there's this matter that I just can't let go:
It's there, not their. They're, not their. Several times. Then just for ****s and giggles you threw in a there's that really would have been happier as a their's. Doubt, not dought (wow, autocorrect just about lost it *there*). Decent, not descent (at least I don't think you meant descent pay, seems counterproductive). Do, not due.
Maybe you have been diligently completing all necessary billing paperwork for Medi Star Super Medi Ambu Trans Care Ambulance Service, but no one in billing can decipher *your* grammar.
DesertEMT, I wonder if this is just one very skilled troll that has sucked in even the best of us... After reading this whole thread I just have a hard time believing this is genuine.

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LACoGurneyjockey said:

I propose we all make $15 an hour across the board. Much like fast food workers, we are over worked and under paid and I demand an immediate, dramatic pay increase because it would really make my life a lot easier. I will not further my education however, and I will continue to do the bare minimum.
Because in the same way the nice man who makes my delicious burger is only responsible for cooking such delicious burgers and not cleaning the kitchen, I am responsible for patient care only and I absolutely refuse to do more than one thing at a time.
And I want a pony with ATCEMS painted down the side.

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SkiMaskWay said:

Yeah thanks for the Auto correct...my text to speech isn't very good. You attempt to insult me? Why? the truth hurts and you know it. It just seems that some how you are offended or have taken it personal, you want to call me a troll? your probably some brown noser EMT that thinks being a tampon for a private ambulance company is the status quo....in fact you probably live in your mom's basement content with your piss poor wages. If I'm a troll what are you? Better? You're no better than a baggage handler. As far as me being done in this field? And my bitterness rubbing off on anyone? I'm well liked and respected in this field, EMTs, Paramedics Nurses and Firefighters alike have always enjoyed working with me, and most importantly my patients have always been treated with the utmost respect and have gotten the best possible care I could provided as a Paramedic. Your statements and attacks are unfounded and pathetic.

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gonefishing said:

Now see I thought the same thing lol if the McDonald's staff gets $15 an hour im quitting I can say "want frys with that?" LOL

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SkiMaskWay said:

In fact your right...I will go above and beyond. I will take a medical billing and coding class just to insure my ambulance company collects every possible penny owed to them, and then maybe I could get my 25 cent raise I deserve. And I'll go back to school because I'm tired of being an LA county gurney jockey. your name suits you well too. At least you know your place.

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LACoGurneyjockey said:

I like the "the truth hurts, your attacks are unfounded" so seamlessly combined with, well, just about everything else in your post.
I left LA because I was tired of the conditions, and I get just as tired of hearing (not necessarily just) you complain about it and continue to work in a place you despise. No one did this to you. You made a conscious decision to work in this field in the city you're in.

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SkiMaskWay said:

That's just it... That's not the field I chose. Privates in LA that's not EMS. So passion and enthusiasm for that I don't have your right.

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SkiMaskWay said:

It did not say its not important AT ALL...I said its not my job as a Paramedic

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Jon said:

Then who's job is it? How much effort would it take you to get the correct demographics, and speak up and say "hey, this run doesn't appear to need Medicare eligibility requirements?"

If someone else is doing that, they need to be paid too. And remember, I just said that the average EMS provider is reimbursed BELOW cost on Medicare runs.

No one is saying you need to be a coder, but you should have some concept of what information needs to be gathered and documented so that your employer can bill the call correctly and promptly.


I love how you keep insisting that a union would make everything better. I'm not convinced.

How much do your plumber friends pay in union dues, insurance, and any other costs that come out of their hourly wage? Do they provide their own equipment and tools? Do you (aside from a stethoscope?)

Plumbers are able to be paid "X" because their employer/general contractor is able to charge X+Y for the service provided. There are often vast differences in rates paid for union vs. Non-union plumbers (or other skilled trades).

There's no multi-tiered Medicare rate depending on if your a union shop. They say they will pay Z-dollars, that's all your employer will ever get.


As for the idea of one union to rule the all- that was supposed to be NEMSA, except that ship sailed about 8 years ago.

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Jon said:

Then who's job is it? How much effort would it take you to get the correct demographics, and speak up and say "hey, this run doesn't appear to need Medicare eligibility requirements?"

If someone else is doing that, they need to be paid too. And remember, I just said that the average EMS provider is reimbursed BELOW cost on Medicare runs.

No one is saying you need to be a coder, but you should have some concept of what information needs to be gathered and documented so that your employer can bill the call correctly and promptly.


I love how you keep insisting that a union would make everything better. I'm not convinced.

How much do your plumber friends pay in union dues, insurance, and any other costs that come out of their hourly wage? Do they provide their own equipment and tools? Do you (aside from a stethoscope?)

Plumbers are able to be paid "X" because their employer/general contractor is able to charge X+Y for the service provided. There are often vast differences in rates paid for union vs. Non-union plumbers (or other skilled trades).

There's no multi-tiered Medicare rate depending on if your a union shop. They say they will pay Z-dollars, that's all your employer will ever get.


As for the idea of one union to rule the all- that was supposed to be NEMSA, except that ship sailed about 8 years ago.

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SkiMaskWay said:

They make about $78 an hour when you include the benefits package.Journeyman wage Hourly is $44 Medical, dental, Vision, Pension. Check UA250 in LA county.

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SkiMaskWay said:

No one is saying I should be a coder? Then why do people (inexperienced people) keep insisting I have to go above and beyond to ascertain billing info? I clearly posted I would not go beyond basic demographic data and signatures anything beyond that is just not my god damn job, Besides I don't get paid enough to care about the over all financial status of a company. I speak for about 80 percent of the EMTs and Paramedics. That's just how it is.
Can you elaborate in NEMSA?

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SkiMaskWay said:

No one is saying I should be a coder? Then why do people (inexperienced people) keep insisting I have to go above and beyond to ascertain billing info? I clearly posted I would not go beyond basic demographic data and signatures anything beyond that is just not my god damn job, Besides I don't get paid enough to care about the over all financial status of a company. I speak for about 80 percent of the EMTs and Paramedics. That's just how it is.
Can you elaborate in NEMSA?

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gonefishing said:

Do a Google search I don't wanna upset the mods.

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DesertEMT66 said:

No one is saying you should be a coder (as stated again). You should however attempt to get the information required to correctly bill a patient (you keep changing your story from "I do it" to "I don't care about it").

If you speak for 80% of the EMTs and Medics then why are you the only one so far on this thread to have your view point? Time for you to step off your high horse and realize you are in the small percent of providers who don't care.

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