The Ambulance-staff in the Netherlands

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The EMS system in the Netherlands is great, but its hard to compare it to a place like the US. My state (North Carolina) is 3.5x larger than The Netherlands but with 1/6th the population density. When you combine that with the good network of roads across The Netherlands and the fairly flat terrain, you can see how it is possible for the Dutch to have an EMS system that employs more highly educated (and presumably higher paid) emergency workers.

Australia is one of the largest nations in the world with very low population density outside of the eastern coastal cities and a few other places. They now every Ambulance Paramedic to have a Bachelors Degree.

Canada is many times larger than Australia where something like 70% of the population lives within one hour of the US border. Primary Care Paramedics require between one and two years of education whereas Advanced Care is either another one or two years. This includes very rural areas of Alberta, Ontario, BC and Novia Scotia.

In these nations and in the US other allied health professions require a Bachelors Degree (exception noted for some in the US eg an LPN) .... so once agian, that argument is invalid. Quite simply people do not want to pay for it, the system is not designed to support it and most providers probably do not want to spend that long getting the education that would make it work.

Who do you think has to call for ALS (Intensive Care Paramedic) more often? Two Paramedics 300km from nowhere in Australia who have a wide selection of clinical dexterity including a range of IV drugs or some 100 hour wonder in the rural USA who can give oxygen? Which is more efficent and costs less in the long run? Which ensures better patient outcomes? Nah forget that, which do people want to pay for is probably the more important question
 
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Who do you think has to call for ALS (Intensive Care Paramedic) more often? Two Paramedics 300km from nowhere in Australia who have a wide selection of clinical dexterity including a range of IV drugs or some 100 hour wonder in the rural USA who can give oxygen?

Tisk, Tisk, Tisk...
Also an irrelevant argument, depending on significantly more factors than presented.

Also a point that bothers me, as I understand it from my Canadian counterparts at college, education systems are not all equal in terms of levels. This makes these sorts of arguments very murky, in my opinion. Not that I don't want more education in the US EMS system.
 
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Hi,

What do abulance nurce can do on the action? Can he/she intubate, can use anestetics, myorelaxants? Can nurse do cardioversion?

:)

Ambulancenurses can intubate, use analgetic drugs like fentanyl and ketamine, in a year denilox returns on the ambulances.
Also skills like pacing, cardioversion, defibrillate can be done.
 

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Ambulancenurses can intubate, use analgetic drugs like fentanyl and ketamine, in a year denilox returns on the ambulances.
Also skills like pacing, cardioversion, defibrillate can be done.

It is great. Do you must work strongly by algoritms or it is allowed to think?
For example patient with regular tachicardia 200 b/min, BP 90, chest pain - do you treat by algoritm or you can decide by yourself --> Amiodarone infusion/sedation and cardioversion?
 
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It is great. Do you must work strongly by algoritms or it is allowed to think?
For example patient with regular tachicardia 200 b/min, BP 90, chest pain - do you treat by algoritm or you can decide by yourself --> Amiodarone infusion/sedation and cardioversion?

For each treatment is a protocol.
Protocols are based on rhytm:
Bradycardia, Small complex tachycardia or Wide complex tachycardia.
In the protocols is told wich medication (yes, we use amiodarone) must be given.
Also treatment like sinus carotis massage and valsalva are in the protocols.
 

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Old thread, but I'm hoping OP is subbed so he'll get an email.

I'm planning on relocating to hoogeveen next year after I get married to a citizen. How hard are the ambulance driver jobs to get? I'm also looking into volunteering as a branderweer.
 
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Old thread, but I'm hoping OP is subbed so he'll get an email.

I'm planning on relocating to hoogeveen next year after I get married to a citizen. How hard are the ambulance driver jobs to get? I'm also looking into volunteering as a branderweer.


Those jobs are very hard to get.
But when you've experience in healthcare, C-drivers-licence and are first-aid certified, it can be possible. But it is still hard.
Voluntary fire departments are in some counties screaming for volunteers.
That will be easier.
 

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Those jobs are very hard to get.
But when you've experience in healthcare, C-drivers-licence and are first-aid certified, it can be possible. But it is still hard.
Voluntary fire departments are in some counties screaming for volunteers.
That will be easier.

Any clue what counties are wanting volunteers? And it looks like there's a lot of openings, are there lots of spots, just hard to get into? - http://www.vacatures.nl/ambulancechauffeur/
 

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Exedus, my brother married a dutchie and it was a very long and complicated process for him to even get a work visa he finally gave up and she is moving here. you should investigate how hard it will be for you to immigrate to the netherlands, I know my brother has been married for two years (married in the netherlands BTW) and is still only allowed to be in the country for 6 months at a time and is required to maintain employment in the US.
 

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Exedus, my brother married a dutchie and it was a very long and complicated process for him to even get a work visa he finally gave up and she is moving here. you should investigate how hard it will be for you to immigrate to the netherlands, I know my brother has been married for two years (married in the netherlands BTW) and is still only allowed to be in the country for 6 months at a time and is required to maintain employment in the US.

I just found out my grandparents were born in and were citizens of ireland. Therefore, I can get citizenship to IE by blood, I just have to register with foreign births. This puts me into the eu so I can live/travel/work in nl :) Makes all this much easier!
 
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